Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Long-Term Outcome Studies
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---The point being made here is that there was no treatment. Aspen has stated they do not treat people. Not for medical or drug or any other issues. They like to call themselves counselors and therapists, but they are not. So any study claiming they have treated anyone is nonsense as they have already claimed they don't do that at all. You cannot have it both ways.
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Where does it say that Aspen doesnt provide treatment?
--- Quote ---And I am sure that 90% to 95% of all people who see professional therapists show a 40% to 45% immediate improvement in their attitudes and behaviors.
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Now how can you say that with a straight face with no links and data to back you up, yet you critisize a research firm because it had employees who may have worked in the industry. You dont even see yyoiur own bias. You discredit people because of results dont align with your believe, not because of the work that was done.
Troll Control:
Yes, the link was already provided several time to the lawsuit where Aspen used a defense based on the fact that they do not provide treatment. You even said before, Whooter, that "Aspen doesn't have to provide treatment only results." You've already conceded the point and so did Aspen, in court, under oath. It's cut and dried.
Aspen admitted it provides no treatment of any kind, therapy or medical. Too late for you, Whooter. Your boss already admitted what you don't want to hear. Don't cry about it. You should be outraged. They killed you son and did it with non-treatment.
Anonymous:
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RMA Survivor:
And my purpose in stating that 90 to 95 percent will show a 40 to 45 percent improvement was meant to convey that such a statement, without some kind of context, some basis in reality, without showing methods used to reach such a statement, are therefore bogus. And you validated my point.
You post "articles" about Aspen conducting studies, yet we see no methods used for reaching their conclusions. Thus the argument is invalid by the very lack of details regarding how such conclusion were made. You might have solid, unwavering support for everything Aspen related, but some of us do not. And because Aspen has no employees working for them with the qualifications needed to conduct studies, research or make valid conclusions on any topic, including what toilet paper has been favored by the majority of students over a twenty year time period... Everything they claim is suspect.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---And my purpose in stating that 90 to 95 percent will show a 40 to 45 percent improvement was meant to convey that such a statement, without some kind of context, some basis in reality, without showing methods used to reach such a statement, are therefore bogus. And you validated my point.
You post "articles" about Aspen conducting studies, yet we see no methods used for reaching their conclusions. Thus the argument is invalid by the very lack of details regarding how such conclusion were made. You might have solid, unwavering support for everything Aspen related, but some of us do not. And because Aspen has no employees working for them with the qualifications needed to conduct studies, research or make valid conclusions on any topic, including what toilet paper has been favored by the majority of students over a twenty year time period... Everything they claim is suspect.
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I have seen it stated that Aspen doesn’t provide treatment or have licensed people. But there isnt anything to back that up. All we see is a lawsuit from Northstar but no reference to other programs, so the methods of drawing conclusions can be consistent and all statements are suspect unless followed up with evidence.
As long as we are clear on both sides of the issue.
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