Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Long-Term Outcome Studies
Anonymous:
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you should read the link first!!
The therapist is licensed and needs to adhere to the HIPPA laws which they do. The counselors and staff who are not licensed do not need to adhere to these (see DJ misread it, the counselors and staff don’t need to be licensed). Aspen education knows this and you just choose to misinterpret the posting.
DJ tried to blur the difference between therapist and counselor, Nice try.
One of the struggles here with posters is differentiating between counselors/staff and therapists. One is licensed by the state and the other doesnt need to be. We all know that but you like to mislead the readers.... we all know that and that is why I am here.
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One of the struggles here with you is your being too stupid to defend the Aspen Education Group torture cult you fed your boy too. Come up with better duplicities, Reuben.
There‘s no relevant distinction between a "therapist" and "counselor." These terms are fairly interchangeable, and, anyway, to call yourself either one you need to have a LICENSE—something the people overseeing Pence’s "therapy" did not.
http://www.counselingseattle.com/consumer/2.htm
In this case, Aspen education program, plaintiff and judge use the terms "counselor" and "therapist" interchangeably about the woman in question.
--- Quote from: "Pence v Aspen Education Group 2" ---NorthStar did not promise to do the things that plaintiffs complain they failed to do, such as provide counseling by a LICENSED counselor
Matthew Pence met with NorthStar COUNSELOR Trudy Godat sometime around 5:00 or 5:30PM on July 2, 2003.
Plaintiffs complain that Matthew Pence was seen by an unlicensed THERAPIST, Trudy Godat
--- Quote from: "Pence v Aspen Education Group 2" ---Plaintiffs find the duty of confidentiality in Oregon's confidentiality statute, Oregon statutes regulating professional COUNSELORS, and the federal Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). Oregon's confidentiality statutes provide only that a confidential relationship is not breached if a disclosure is permitted by state or federal law. Or. Rev. Stat. § 192.523; Or. Rev. Stat. § 192.520. Because she is not a LICENCED COUNSELOR and there is no evidence she is an employee of a licensed counselor, Harless is not subject to confidentiality laws applicable to licensed counselors and their employees.
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Aspen Education Group’s whole defense stands on the premise it NEVER promised to, NOR does it provide therapeutic treatment conformative to accepted medical practices, that it is not a treatment program for mental or drug disorders, by any legal definition, that the “counseling sessions” it provides are not therapeutic processes, and that the employees that provide them are not licensed therapists or medical personnel enough for it to be libel HIPPA statutes.
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Also, Aspen Education Group specifies on its website that it does not differentiate between 'counselor' and 'therapist,' 'counseling' and 'therapy'.
http://www.northstarcenter.com/drugtrea ... #honorcode
--- Quote from: "Aspen Education Group, North star center" ---Definition of Counselor: This term is used interchangeably with therapist to indicate the staff member who is primarily responsible for the emotional growth of the student. The counselors meet with students one to two times weekly and work on a wide range of recovery, emotional and family issues
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--- Quote from: "Aspen Education Group, North star center" ---Definition of Therapy
This is used interchangeably with counseling. The counselors meet with students one to two times weekly and work on a wide range of recovery, emotional and family issues. A variety of therapy techniques are used depending on the counselor. Due to confidentiality restrictions, what takes place in therapy sessions is between the student and his/her counselor.
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Whooter:
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Well it may not be considered treatment but they do a great job addressing the kids problems and getting them back on track. Their outcome studies are impressive. I think they call it a model. All the kids go through the same stages and then emerge together and are back on track. They can see licensed therapists if their family wants them to or if it is part of their plan. Some are part of the school and others are independent depending on the program.
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So the parents get to decide if they want their child to receive therapy or not?
Whooter:
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Well it may not be considered treatment but they do a great job addressing the kids problems and getting them back on track. Their outcome studies are impressive. I think they call it a model. All the kids go through the same stages and then emerge together and are back on track. They can see licensed therapists if their family wants them to or if it is part of their plan. Some are part of the school and others are independent depending on the program.
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So the parents get to decide if they want their child to receive therapy or not?
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Well each program is different. If you son or daughter is presently seeing a therapist then that will continue and his and her medication will be monitored by a therapist at the school. But if your child is not presently seeing a therapist then you can decide if this is something that is right for you. But most of these questions can be answered by the individual program depending on what they offer.
Whooter:
I found this finding interesting:
About 95% of the youth in our study had received and "failed" prior treatment at other levels of care and/ or types of treatment."
Youth who entered the programs with extreme and sometimes disabling psychological and social problems ranked in the 97th percentile, meaning they were functioning worse than 97% percent of teenagers.
"Typically, in outcome research, you'll see a change but not like what we found in this study, which showed a dramatic change of 30-40 percentile points. Not only did the youth change significantly for the better while they were in treatment, but that change was not dependent on their demographic background, treatment history or types of problems.
RMA Survivor:
The point being made here is that there was no treatment. Aspen has stated they do not treat people. Not for medical or drug or any other issues. They like to call themselves counselors and therapists, but they are not. So any study claiming they have treated anyone is nonsense as they have already claimed they don't do that at all. You cannot have it both ways.
And I am sure that 90% to 95% of all people who see professional therapists show a 40% to 45% immediate improvement in their attitudes and behaviors. How you measure this is beyond me. Such a study would likely be bogus unless you have measurable criteria to base such statements on. People crave attention, especially when suffering from depression, drug use, anxiety issues. Any attention, in the short terms is helpful. But depending on the quality of that attention, long term benefits would be questionable. But professionals have years of experience learning about what works and why, and what doesn't work and why. Hacks, like those found in these programs, have no such backgrounds. They base their pseudo counseling and pseudo therapy on pseudo claims. Just because a staff member has taken drugs, does not qualify them to "counsel" teens on drug usage. Though talking to someone who has had a similar experience may have a very short term benefit. But I would emphasize "may".
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