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Another death last week at an Aspen program
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---It wouldn't matter where they were living anyway.
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You don't think that parental presence would have an impact on the students' answers? Maybe they could be sent away again.
Moreover, it would suggest that the student respondents were still in that honeymoon phase of trying to fit in with everyone's expectations of them. Hence my question of how much time had elapsed since they were in program...
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Whoops it was there..."Thirty-eight percent of these parents reported living with the graduate, 30% reported living apart from the graduate, and 33% reported living with the graduate on a part-time basis."
Whooter:
Here are a few more findings from the study:
The length of time since graduation for this sample ranged from 6.5 to 26.5 months, the average being 13.9 months.
So it looks like a little over a year out on average.
Psychiatric medication was used by 60% of the student sample prior to ASR, and only 46% of the student sample after ASR
This was always my perception. The programs tend to try to get these kids off all the meds if possible. Kids now a days are way over medicated.
None of the students required psychiatric hospitalizations after ASR, though 66% resumed outpatient individual therapy, 10% continued group therapy, and 10% used family therapy.
This is about what I would have expected and experienced with the groups I followed and the one my daughter was in.
Twelve percent of ASR students had attempted suicide prior to treatment, and none reported attempting suicide after treatment.
Great result!!!!
Of the 49% of students who reported that they planned to be sober following graduation, 5% have been completely sober since they graduated, and an additional 12% used substances after treatment, but have now committed to a lifestyle of sobriety.
So basically one kid stayed sober after a year. The rest are normal teenagers.
Despite the consensus that drug use in graduates has declined, since graduation, 64% have used marijuana, 12% mushrooms, 12% cocaine, 12% ecstasy, 6% acid, and 6% abused prescription drugs.
Still lighting up though!!! You gotta love em!! Personally that would be the first thing I would have done is find a source and fire up. I expected this to be higher in the weed category.
Troll Control:
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--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---You don't recall correctly, In fact, you didn't publish the full link to this psychology paper because the link is titled "student papers" and it's stored on a student server and has never been published anywhere, much less a science journal. Busted again.
Let me help you: http://http://groups.colgate.edu/cjs/student_papers/2002/VShapiro.pdf
The first page of the abstract states:
"Results found that the majority of pathological and adaptive behaviors were perceived to have improved by both the students and parents, but that the standardized measures of patient relations, self-reliance, conduct, and self-reported depression were still well within the clinical range."[/u]
What does this mean? It means that anecdotal evidence from parents and students is unreliable, as the data prove that in all areas the measured items failed to improve out of the clinical range, i.e. the treatment felt good to the parents and students, but was factually totally ineffective.
Shot yourself in the foot again, Whooter.
This "evidence" you provided actually invalidates your claims that student and parent stories reflect reality and that ASR's treatment is effective. Too bad your reading comprehension skills are so low or you could have avoided this embarrassment.
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Sorry, Whooter, but here are the real facts. If Shapiro was "pre-doctoral" in 2007, then five years earlier she would have been a freshman psychology student (2002) when this paper was written. A freshman psychology paper is not a university study. Everyone understands this.
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Great point. This paper was written by a 19 year old girl for a psychology class. Trying to use this paper to to suggest that programs are safe or effective is nonsense.
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---It wouldn't matter where they were living anyway.
--- End quote ---
You don't think that parental presence would have an impact on the students' answers? Maybe they could be sent away again.
Moreover, it would suggest that the student respondents were still in that honeymoon phase of trying to fit in with everyone's expectations of them. Hence my question of how much time had elapsed since they were in program...
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You missed my point. None of that matters because this isn't a study, it's a paper written by a 19 year old girl for a psychology class and based on a survey conducted with ASR's approved contact list of gradutes only. These schools on average have a 50% attrition rate and none of those treatment failures were considered. The whole point is that there is no reason to argure minutiae when this paper doesn't mean anything anyway.
If you're going to assign some kind of value to it then one need not read past the abstract which clearly states that parents' and students' opinions were that there was improvement, but for all traits examined, all were still in the clinical range. It's actually evidence that ASR doesn't work for any mental hygiene problems.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Here are a few more findings from the study:
The length of time since graduation for this sample ranged from 6.5 to 26.5 months, the average being 13.9 months.
So it looks like a little over a year out on average.
Psychiatric medication was used by 60% of the student sample prior to ASR, and only 46% of the student sample after ASR
This was always my perception. The programs tend to try to get these kids off all the meds if possible. Kids now a days are way over medicated.
None of the students required psychiatric hospitalizations after ASR, though 66% resumed outpatient individual therapy, 10% continued group therapy, and 10% used family therapy.
This is about what I would have expected and experienced with the groups I followed and the one my daughter was in.
Twelve percent of ASR students had attempted suicide prior to treatment, and none reported attempting suicide after treatment.
Great result!!!!
Of the 49% of students who reported that they planned to be sober following graduation, 5% have been completely sober since they graduated, and an additional 12% used substances after treatment, but have now committed to a lifestyle of sobriety.
So basically one kid stayed sober after a year. The rest are normal teenagers.
Despite the consensus that drug use in graduates has declined, since graduation, 64% have used marijuana, 12% mushrooms, 12% cocaine, 12% ecstasy, 6% acid, and 6% abused prescription drugs.
Still lighting up though!!! You gotta love em!! Personally that would be the first thing I would have done is find a source and fire up. I expected this to be higher in the weed category.
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Whooter, Tell us more about the kids smoking pot. you dont think this is a problem? 64% reported smoking after the program... major fail. You lose.
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