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Another death last week at an Aspen program
Whooter:
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--- Quote ---Students had similar impressions of their own improvement.
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How many of those 17 students were still living at home when they filled out those surveys?
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I am not sure if the study was that specific in that area. I'll go back thru it to see if they break that out.
Troll Control:
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--- Quote ---Students had similar impressions of their own improvement.
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How many of those 17 students were still living at home when they filled out those surveys?
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I am not sure if the study was that specific in that area. I'll go back thru it to see if they break that out.
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Ha, ha, ha.
Study, my ass. This is a paper written by a freshman student. Still waiting, Whooter, for your links to the numerous clinical studies performed by universities and published in their science journals as you claimed earlier. No links? NEVER HAPPENED.
It wouldn't matter where they were living anyway. there were only 17 responses from a hand-picked sample given to Shapiro by ASR. this hand-picked sample is presumably the ones ASR thought would look the best, but, alas, the data show clearly that in ALL areas, these kids were still clinical in all areas after an 18 month program. Not even one was "sub-clinical" much less symptom-free.
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Highly effective? Let's look at the data analysis again, shall we? First page of the abstract clearly states:
--- Quote ---"...the standardized measures of patient relations, self-reliance, conduct, and self-reported depression were still well within the clinical range."
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So, no measurable improvement indicates "highly effective"? You'll have to explain that to the rest of us round-worlders.
When a kid has finished 18 months at ASR, they will still be clinically depressed, have bad relations, low self-reliance and bad conduct. So sayeth the Shapiro paper. So parents are paying some $120k for 18 months of zero improvement.
Let's also not forget that Aspen's program rises to the level of child abuse under Oregon law.
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First page, in cold print, all studied traits still in the clinical range. No improvement.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---It wouldn't matter where they were living anyway.
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You don't think that parental presence would have an impact on the students' answers? Maybe they could be sent away again.
Moreover, it would suggest that the student respondents were still in that honeymoon phase of trying to fit in with everyone's expectations of them. Hence my question of how much time had elapsed since they were in program...
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---It wouldn't matter where they were living anyway.
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You don't think that parental presence would have an impact on the students' answers? Maybe they could be sent away again.
Moreover, it would suggest that the student respondents were still in that honeymoon phase of trying to fit in with everyone's expectations of them. Hence my question of how much time had elapsed since they were in program...
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I didnt see it listed anywhere, Ursus. I dont think she broke it out that fine. It would have been interesting to see how many are still at home and how many moved away or moved on to college/boarding school.
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