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Hidden Lake Academy - ORS Reports
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The ORS report is MORE THAN FAIR to HLA. ORS went out of its way not to violate HLA on many items, yet they ended up having to do so because HLA failed to remediate itself over and over again, proving "self-policing" to be worthless (ala NATSAP).
Why play "devil's advocate" for an obviously failing facility? Where does your need come from? There has never been any evidence that HLA's program is clinically valid or sound. There is a ton of evidence that HLA is a shoddy facility AT BEST and a real shit-pit warehouse at worst. I'm inclined to believe it's somehwere between "very bad" and "heinous" and that is a fair depiction.
Try actually reading the ORS reports. If you're so interested in painting a "fair" picture, order up the docs from ORS, READ THEM and THEN opine.
HLA is a failure as a treatment modality and a failure as a business. What MORE do you need to know before saying NOBODY should send a kid there?
Why not try playing CHILD ADVOCATE for once since you already know HLA is a terrible place you wouldn't send your own kid to?? Not doing so really hammers your credibility. Be honest. Call a spade a spade, man.
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With Hollowhead gone, Grimwood gone, Travers gone, Kathleen Heasley gone and a myriad of others...who exactly is minding the store? The ORS visited in Dec. 2008 - more violations, remedy was expected by HLA Jan. 2009... it's July... what is the ORS position now, not that they ever stuck their neck out to have one.
TheWho:
I agree it would put to bed many of my questions if I had a copy for myself. As far as being a devils advocate I think it is sorely needed…. here on fornits especially. I do much to advocate for children and a small part of that advocacy is to try to keep an honest perspective here. It would be a disservice to parents and children alike to water down the definition of abuse (as an example) to the point that every child in America falls under the definition. We have posters here who claim to have been abused but when the details are looked at the person posting this was only in the program for a few weeks and was required to haul wood for the elderly, clean common areas and open fields etc.. So he places himself in the same category as a girl who was raped and beaten. This isn’t fair to the kids who are truly being abused.
There are suicides and car accidents which are attributed to programs (by posters here) and when you take the time to read the details of the deaths it turns out these kids died years after leaving and were not even near the program when they died. This level of desperation to discredit programs at all costs leaves one to wonder what the credibility is of their own personal stories is. So my skepticism is not unwarranted and is renewed on a daily basis.
HLA may indeed be an abusive school, but I am justifiably cautious about the source of the information. Like I said earlier if the stack of 3,000 pages was given to this guy Len would the information be disseminated differently? I think of course it would. This is why I am trying to read between the lines the best I can and trying to ask the right questions.
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---I do much to advocate for children and a small part of that advocacy is to try to keep an honest perspective here.
--- End quote ---
Would that include you making fun of kids being abused, and denying their abuse and deaths ever occured?
--- Quote ---the person posting this was only in the program for a few weeks and was required to haul wood for the elderly, clean common areas and open fields etc.. So he places himself in the same category as a girl who was raped and beaten
--- End quote ---
Are you serious? Who is this person? He should be admonished immediatly. Link to the post in question so we can hold this person accountable. Anyone pretending to be abused has serious issues.
--- Quote ---This level of desperation to discredit programs at all costs leaves one to wonder what the credibility is of their own personal stories is. So my skepticism is not unwarranted and is renewed on a daily basis.
--- End quote ---
I know what you mean. It's sort of like posters who refuse to provide evidence to back up their own pro-program position, or when faced with difficult questions simply make up things. It really ruins that programmies credibility.
--- Quote ---Like I said earlier if the stack of 3,000 pages was given to this guy Len would the information be disseminated differently? I think of course it would. This is why I am trying to read between the lines the best I can and trying to ask the right questions.
--- End quote ---
Well the thing is Buchi doesnt feel he should ever have to answer any questions, hence why he settled. This is the same guy who threatened to fire his employees for allowing people with warrants onto the school property rather then being arrested. What are your thoughts on that?
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