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Hidden Lake Academy - ORS Reports
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I agree it would put to bed many of my questions if I had a copy for myself. As far as being a devils advocate I think it is sorely needed…. here on fornits especially. I do much to advocate for children and a small part of that advocacy is to try to keep an honest perspective here. It would be a disservice to parents and children alike to water down the definition of abuse (as an example) to the point that every child in America falls under the definition. We have posters here who claim to have been abused but when the details are looked at the person posting this was only in the program for a few weeks and was required to haul wood for the elderly, clean common areas and open fields etc.. So he places himself in the same category as a girl who was raped and beaten. This isn’t fair to the kids who are truly being abused.
There are suicides and car accidents which are attributed to programs (by posters here) and when you take the time to read the details of the deaths it turns out these kids died years after leaving and were not even near the program when they died. This level of desperation to discredit programs at all costs leaves one to wonder what the credibility is of their own personal stories is. So my skepticism is not unwarranted and is renewed on a daily basis.
HLA may indeed be an abusive school, but I am justifiably cautious about the source of the information. Like I said earlier if the stack of 3,000 pages was given to this guy Len would the information be disseminated differently? I think of course it would. This is why I am trying to read between the lines the best I can and trying to ask the right questions.
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^^TheWho^^ Why do you obsess with the suicide and car analogies.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I agree it would put to bed many of my questions if I had a copy for myself. As far as being a devils advocate I think it is sorely needed…. here on fornits especially. I do much to advocate for children and a small part of that advocacy is to try to keep an honest perspective here. It would be a disservice to parents and children alike to water down the definition of abuse (as an example) to the point that every child in America falls under the definition. We have posters here who claim to have been abused but when the details are looked at the person posting this was only in the program for a few weeks and was required to haul wood for the elderly, clean common areas and open fields etc.. So he places himself in the same category as a girl who was raped and beaten. This isn’t fair to the kids who are truly being abused.
There are suicides and car accidents which are attributed to programs (by posters here) and when you take the time to read the details of the deaths it turns out these kids died years after leaving and were not even near the program when they died. This level of desperation to discredit programs at all costs leaves one to wonder what the credibility is of their own personal stories is. So my skepticism is not unwarranted and is renewed on a daily basis.
HLA may indeed be an abusive school, but I am justifiably cautious about the source of the information. Like I said earlier if the stack of 3,000 pages was given to this guy Len would the information be disseminated differently? I think of course it would. This is why I am trying to read between the lines the best I can and trying to ask the right questions.
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^^TheWho^^ Why do you obsess with the suicide and car analogies.
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Because he, John Reuben, drove his own son to suicide.
TheWho:
Oh, I get it!! DROVE. Thats where the car analogies come from. I almost missed that. Thats really cleaver
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "guest 6" ---With Hollowhead gone, Grimwood gone, Travers gone, Kathleen Heasley gone and a myriad of others...who exactly is minding the store? The ORS visited in Dec. 2008 - more violations, remedy was expected by HLA Jan. 2009... it's July... what is the ORS position now, not that they ever stuck their neck out to have one.
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Yep, they're all gone, and then some. Check back in another couple of weeks and you just might find that HLA's longest surviving employee, Len's very first hire, is also among the missing.
RobertBruce:
Who? Lee? Jim?
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