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This forum, Now and then
Antigen:
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--- Quote from: "GregFL" ---At least one difference between you and I is that I believe a level playing field and a fair and open moderated discussion allows the truth to bubble to the surface.
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Fair and open is subjective. Fox calls itself "fair and balanced". It does not make it so. The only truly fair discussion is one where nobody has any power over the words of others. Sure it results in a fair bit of chaos, but there is also the guarantee that it is fair. You might have been a benevolent monarch, but such a system is only as good as it's leader... and people shouldn't have to trust in a leader... they should be able to trust in a system. As it is a system exists that does not rely on a single person's benevolence or fairness where in a sense nobody and everybody is in charge. Everybody has a fair shake at the discussion table including the "trolls" which is really a term for that which you personally find irrelevant, distracting, or otherwise offensive..
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I wish you'd come steal Vic from that fireman!
:rose:
Antigen:
--- Quote from: "control control control" ---Control Control Control , is this all anyone wants to do?????
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Not I.
Honestly, I wasn't aware at the time of how much editing was going on. Mostly, I thought it was spam n so forth. And it was a pretty interesting conversation at times, I'll give ya that. But what happened to all of our Seed family members who bounced off the first time they noticed the censorship? Maybe we'll be hearing from some of them again soon.
On the other hand, Stack, don't assume too much about somebody based on their anger level. Honestly, I'm nowhere near as angry about the whole thing as you guys are. I was. Now I just keep pluggin' along at a casual, sustainable pace of muck raking.
And honestly, don't you miss the lizzards? Ya have to admit that the lizzards and the mocking birds were pretty damned cool.
:peace:
In all things, moderation; including moderation!
Anonymous:
[quote="psy] Fair and open is subjective. Fox calls itself "fair and balanced". It does not make it so. The only truly fair discussion is one where nobody has any power over the words of others. Sure it results in a fair bit of chaos, but there is also the guarantee that it is fair. You might have been a benevolent monarch, but such a system is only as good as it's leader... and people shouldn't have to trust in a leader... they should be able to trust in a system. As it is a system exists that does not rely on a single person's benevolence or fairness where in a sense nobody and everybody is in charge. Everybody has a fair shake at the discussion table including the "trolls" which is really a term for that which you personally find irrelevant, distracting, or otherwise offensive..[/quote]
Because you're writing the above makes it so? You're no worse or better than the person you're attempting to educate with all your subjectivity. Nor am I for responding to you.
Antigen:
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--- Quote from: "psy" --- Fair and open is subjective. Fox calls itself "fair and balanced". It does not make it so. The only truly fair discussion is one where nobody has any power over the words of others. Sure it results in a fair bit of chaos, but there is also the guarantee that it is fair. You might have been a benevolent monarch, but such a system is only as good as it's leader... and people shouldn't have to trust in a leader... they should be able to trust in a system. As it is a system exists that does not rely on a single person's benevolence or fairness where in a sense nobody and everybody is in charge. Everybody has a fair shake at the discussion table including the "trolls" which is really a term for that which you personally find irrelevant, distracting, or otherwise offensive..
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Because you're writing the above makes it so?
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Of course not. No more than Art's obit is true just because someone wrote it. Now, can you find any logical flaw in Psy's take?
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--- Quote from: "susantoo" --- You're no worse or better than the person you're attempting to educate with all your subjectivity. Nor am I for responding to you.
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I think that was a fairly objective statement about subjectivity and how to avoid it..... one to which you have obviously responded. That usually means your argument had no legs.
Cyndeelouwho:
Originally , I found this forum after reading information from other sources online related to the troubled child (for profit) industry. I had some dialog via facebook with a few folks who have posted on here and read through the entire thread of archived posts under the seed discussion forum. I ws emotionally exhausted and mentally drained amd had a few rough nights (ask my husband)
I actually woke him up a time or two, yelling in my sleep , with clinched fists. He had no idea what was going on and asked if I was OK, I am OK but it was hell for a few days. I actually ripped the sheets running away , all in my sleep. This is not made up for attention, sympathy or any other reason, It is what happened to me after reading the posts many folks contributed back in 2001 to 2005.
I felt happy I had found this place but the anger poured out of me. I rented "over the GW", I read Marc P's. take (we were in together at T.P.), I laughed, I cried, I hated, all over again.
I have gone to therapy, I had worked it out, just as I did when my ten year old son passed away. I am not a mean person, I am not a bad person. I am a person who had mean and bad things happen to them.
And so did my younger brother and sister.
I read the rules of the forum and lurked around for several weeks, scared to post because maybe it was a set up. When it felt safe, I jumped in and maybe my words were biting and childish and vulgar, but like all of you "old timers", I was venting just as you did years before me.
When I was in hospice and grief counseling , I was told that people grieve in different ways, some get through it quickly, some take time, other repress it for as long as necessary. There were no hard and firm rule about getting through tragedy.
I guess I had held in all that stuff for so long and it was ready to come out.
I am completely aware that my captives are not reading this stuff and have moved on in their lifes or are so old , it doesn't matter. Those are not the people I was raging at. I was raging at the ones in charge then and who they were then and what they were allowed to do with no authority, training or concern for the outcome, except lining their pocket under the guise of helping children.
In reading the archive posts , I noticed similar sentiment and rage, obsession and expression. There was kidding around, talk of lawsuit, name calling to the guilty, threats, questions, posting of public data, encounters, sharing, thoughts, ideas; all unique to the poster at the time. There was even a little sarcasm and fantasy.
Being asked to leave and move on was a lot like being stood up and started over, for those of you that went through that.
I am not perfect, right, wrong, stupid, selfish, or a whore (some of you will get this)
I am just a former seedling who suffered at the hands of untrained and unqualified people who are long gone but should not ever be forgotten , even if you do not agree with my perspective or my postings.
They should never be forgotten because this is where it all started .
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