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Anonymous:
Thanks sis, was nice to hear something that felt like it made sense to me,I Feel the same, I will be honest I could never forgive those souls that tormented me, I never will, I am happy you posted, always good to listen to the things you say, I cannot wait to see you next week, I like you have nothing to hide nor am I ashamed for what others did to us, the keys is where we will be soon, where before all this crap happened we use to go to as young kids, we will have to make your hubby roll down the hill at Greynolds park, the park I use to go sleep in as a child to forget about this horrible nightmare, we will toast to survival, and Life, and salute Antigen , she sounds like a really nice person, I was not kidding all are invited, anyone else up for brunch, was thinking Rusty pelican, the lobster tails are delicious, well nice to see you posting, and see you soon, :rose: sister sue she loves you. :peace:
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---I think that was a fairly objective statement about subjectivity and how to avoid it..... one to which you have obviously responded. That usually means your argument had no legs.
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See, there's no argument from me. It's called discussion. Sometimes words don't lead to arguments, Ginger/Antigen/Eudora. You need to learn this for your own sake. FWIW, here's my defintion of objective (which is what I was aiming for, so, thanks for recognizing it):
Not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---Of course not. No more than Art's obit is true just because someone wrote it. Now, can you find any logical flaw in Psy's take?
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When and where did I state there was a logical flaw in Psy's take? You are quite the little agitator, aren't you? Ah, that's right. Muckraker is what you call yourself. Sometimes there is no muck to rake. Quit looking for it in every post or thread you read.
Re: the other issue of "Art's obit." I have no comment at this time.
Anonymous:
is susantoo chanting to self????
GregFL:
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--- Quote from: "psy" --- Fair and open is subjective. Fox calls itself "fair and balanced". It does not make it so. The only truly fair discussion is one where nobody has any power over the words of others. Sure it results in a fair bit of chaos, but there is also the guarantee that it is fair. You might have been a benevolent monarch, but such a system is only as good as it's leader... and people shouldn't have to trust in a leader... they should be able to trust in a system. As it is a system exists that does not rely on a single person's benevolence or fairness where in a sense nobody and everybody is in charge. Everybody has a fair shake at the discussion table including the "trolls" which is really a term for that which you personally find irrelevant, distracting, or otherwise offensive..
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. Now, can you find any logical flaw in Psy's take?
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I could spend quite a bit of time picking it apart, especially his gratuitis re-definition of the geneally accepted meaning of "forum troll" to suit his point, but generally the implication is 1) don't trust a leader, moderation is subjective and isn't 'fair' 2) trust a system instead, see the objective results!
This neglects the fact that the system can be manipulated, in absense of a leader ie: moderator , by people who want the system to fail, thereby rendering the system a failure. Example a) this forum in its current state.
This neglects that if a forum wants an open discussion, and 100 people with opinion A pile on every new person with opinion B, that no constructive OPEN conversation will occur.
There is more butI will leave it here.
Moderating forums is tricky and can result in even worse results than an unmoderated forum if the forum leader is not benevolent and unbaised in his/her moderation. In addition it is mostly less than thankless. you open yourself up to attacks continually deal with spam and idiots, and of course the pay is atrocious. The net is swamped with examples of bad forums. Forum moderation with rules that apply to everyone in my opinion yield the best results, especially when you want open conversation from all sides of a discussion. The forum now obviously isn't looking for that and shouts down contrary opinions. It seems like you guys want a anti-program party and not a discussion, and that is fine. Just please if you have the time archive the forum at the point I left, and rename the new forum "I hate the seed and dare you to come in here". That would be more honest.
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