Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
Troll Control:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I would give RobertBruce a chance to explain himself before throwing him under the bus. Maybe they missed the part in the report where HLA tried to starve him to death or used excessive physical labor as an abuse tactic. Give him time to bring the evidence to the table before convicting him. Although the report did seem thorough.
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So between last night and this morning you requested, received, read and critiqued a 3000 page report, huh, whooter? More lying, huh?
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If you go back afew pages you will see that "Jill" has the report. There was no mention of Attempted Starvation or Excessive physical labor nor arson. Lets give Bruce a chance before we call him a liar, but if it isnt in the report then we know he made it up.
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Can you quote where RB accused anyone of arson? I think you made that up.
Having read the report, and believing Jill when she paraphrases it, it appears what Jill said is true: it substantiates Robert's claims and dismisses yours. Now, if you can prove otherwise, please, do so.
TheWho:
Well, if you can find where it says that HLA tried to starve people to death or used excessive physical labor then I think RobertBruce might get a break here, otherwise he is still on the hook to substantiate his allegations.
Again, I dont think there is any need for a witch hunt on this. Lets give Bruce a chance to talk to Jill or whoever he needs to to provide proof of his allegations against HLA. Now that the reports are out and we see HLA was above board the whole time, RobertBruce needs to back up his words. But lets give him time.
Troll Control:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I would give RobertBruce a chance to explain himself before throwing him under the bus. Maybe they missed the part in the report where HLA tried to starve him to death or used excessive physical labor as an abuse tactic. Give him time to bring the evidence to the table before convicting him. Although the report did seem thorough.
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So between last night and this morning you requested, received, read and critiqued a 3000 page report, huh, whooter? More lying, huh?
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If you go back afew pages you will see that "Jill" has the report. There was no mention of Attempted Starvation or Excessive physical labor nor arson. Lets give Bruce a chance before we call him a liar, but if it isnt in the report then we know he made it up.
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Can you quote where RB accused anyone of arson? I think you made that up.
Having read the report, and believing Jill when she paraphrases it, it appears what Jill said is true: it substantiates Robert's claims and dismisses yours. Now, if you can prove otherwise, please, do so.
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--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---If you go back afew pages you will see that "Jill" has the report. There was no mention of Attempted Starvation or Excessive physical labor nor arson. Lets give Bruce a chance before we call him a liar, but if it isnt in the report then we know he made it up.
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Jill says the report substantiates Robert's claims. Thanks for pointing that out, Who.
--- Quote from: "Jill Ryan" ---These documents will provide answers to what you are asking of Robert and confirm what Robert states.
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Now, I'd like to discuss suicide attempts, rapes, assaults, 911 calls, etc. Previously you had stated that people referencing these incidents and their reportage were "liars." In light of these facts you seem to have uncovered for yourself, would you like to revise your statement and let everyone know you were wrong about HLA's sordid history? Thanks.
I also wonder why Max was placed here considering the public laundry list of assaults, rapes, etc that occurred on campus. Why would you place Max there, John, when you knew of all of the abuse?
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Well, if you can find where it says that HLA tried to starve people to death or used excessive physical labor then I think RobertBruce might get a break here, otherwise he is still on the hook to substantiate his allegations.
Again, I dont think there is any need for a witch hunt on this. Lets give Bruce a chance to talk to Jill or whoever he needs to to provide proof of his allegations against HLA. Now that the reports are out and we see HLA was above board the whole time, RobertBruce needs to back up his words. But lets give him time.
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I agree we shouldnt string up MR Bruce. But it would be nice to see evidence of starvation and excessive physical labor. I am sure after he put on enough weight he would have gotten some strength up and gone to the police. So there would be a 911 call or a police record in the ORS report. We will wait for that instead of speculating. RobertBruce should be considered innocent until he clears himself
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---Now, I'd like to discuss suicide attempts, rapes, assaults, 911 calls, etc. Previously you had stated that people referencing these incidents and their reportage were "liars." In light of these facts you seem to have uncovered for yourself, would you like to revise your statement and let everyone know you were wrong about HLA's sordid history? Thanks.
I also wonder why Max was placed here considering the public laundry list of assaults, rapes, etc that occurred on campus. Why would you place Max there, John, when you knew of all of the abuse?
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What about those rapes and assaults that are so well documented in the report? Would you still recommend HLA considering the incontrovertible police and ORS evidence of rapes and assaults? Are the poeple who you called "liars" before when they told you this now vindicated? Would you like to apologize for calling raped kids liars? Beaten kids liars?
How about just simply admitting you were wrong? Is that too much to ask in light of the fact that the proof you have been demanding shows that HLA is very dangerous place? It's just an apology and an admission of wrongdoing, much the same as HLA was forced into. Let's see who the grownups are here, shall we?
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