Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I wonder how Dave Marcus feels now after learning that all four of "his kids" at ASR failed with one ending up dead? Even though it's a small sample, it tells us that ASR has a 100% failure rate and a 25% death rate. I think a bigger. less biased sample would make these numbers go even higher (Marcus' subjects were hand-picked by Aspen based on the probablility odf success). Funny how they picked their sample to prove effectiveness and it proves the exact opposite. Too bad nobody is allowed to do a clinical trial on ASR. If it were allowed, there would be no more denying Aspen's utter failure to help any kids.
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These are very good points. I think this is why the book has been so successful. Everyone likes to read about scandal and the next program to be exposed. Thebook was heart churning and I couldnt put it down. I dont know how any of the kids survived? I guess that is why they call them survivors.
Anonymous:
At what point does this asshole's flogging of his butt buddy's book become commercial spam/flooding?
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I wonder how Dave Marcus feels now after learning that all four of "his kids" at ASR failed with one ending up dead? Even though it's a small sample, it tells us that ASR has a 100% failure rate and a 25% death rate. I think a bigger. less biased sample would make these numbers go even higher (Marcus' subjects were hand-picked by Aspen based on the probablility odf success). Funny how they picked their sample to prove effectiveness and it proves the exact opposite. Too bad nobody is allowed to do a clinical trial on ASR. If it were allowed, there would be no more denying Aspen's utter failure to help any kids.
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These are very good points. I think this is why the book has been so successful. Everyone likes to read about scandal and the next program to be exposed. Thebook was heart churning and I couldnt put it down. I dont know how any of the kids survived? I guess that is why they call them survivors.
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Any book to be successful has to have at least one death in it. So I would say that the death aspect of it is what makes it a good book. I was going nuts trying to figure out which one of them died. I couldnt put it down ... was it the "Southern girl"' or "the self-destructive son of teachers" or "the black kid from a tough New York neighborhood" or "the high-achieving Florida girl "broken" by the death of her mother". I wont tell you which one but it definitely fooled me.
You can catch the book here:
Dave Marcus
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I wonder how Marcus feels now after learning that all four of "his kids" at ASR failed with one ending up dead? Even though it's a small sample, it tells us that ASR has a 100% failure rate and a 25% death rate. I think a bigger. less biased sample would make these numbers go even higher (Marcus' subjects were hand-picked by Aspen based on the probablility odf success). Funny how they picked their sample to prove effectiveness and it proves the exact opposite. Too bad nobody is allowed to do a clinical trial on ASR. If it were allowed, there would be no more denying Aspen's utter failure to help any kids.
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I agree wholeheartedly. This industry survives on anecdotes of "success" but they really don't deliver any quantifiable results. They practice pseudo-therapy and publish quasi-scientific "research" which consists of surveys of cherry-picked samples to claim "success." In reality, they offer no proof, or even any quantifiable evidence, that programs do any good for any person. Great post.
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I wonder how Dave Marcus feels now after learning that all four of "his kids" at ASR failed with one ending up dead? Even though it's a small sample, it tells us that ASR has a 100% failure rate and a 25% death rate. I think a bigger. less biased sample would make these numbers go even higher (Marcus' subjects were hand-picked by Aspen based on the probablility odf success). Funny how they picked their sample to prove effectiveness and it proves the exact opposite. Too bad nobody is allowed to do a clinical trial on ASR. If it were allowed, there would be no more denying Aspen's utter failure to help any kids.
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These are very good points. I think this is why the book has been so successful. Everyone likes to read about scandal and the next program to be exposed. Thebook was heart churning and I couldnt put it down. I dont know how any of the kids survived? I guess that is why they call them survivors.
--- End quote ---
Any book to be successful has to have at least one death in it. So I would say that the death aspect of it is what makes it a good book. I was going nuts trying to figure out which one of them died. I couldnt put it down ... was it the "Southern girl"' or "the self-destructive son of teachers" or "the black kid from a tough New York neighborhood" or "the high-achieving Florida girl "broken" by the death of her mother". I wont tell you which one but it definitely fooled me.
You can catch the book here:
Dave Marcus
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I have to admit that the book was a page turner. I gave it to a friend and they couldnt put it down either. I thought it was the "Girl from Florida". My friend thought it was the "Black kid from New York".
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