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John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org
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What does Dave Marcus have to do with John Reuben's son killing himself after attending ASR? I believe he was there at the same time as Marcus. That makes two kids during Marcus' stay at ASR that ended up killing themselves. I wonder how many more of that ASR class are dead?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---What does Dave Marcus have to do with John Reuben's son killing himself after attending ASR? I believe he was there at the same time as Marcus. That makes two kids during Marcus' stay at ASR that ended up killing themselves. I wonder how many more of that ASR class are dead?
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I think Dave Marcus might have had something to do with it (you are pretty smart). Maybe all the kids died after leaving ASR. I think if they all died we could safely assume it was the programs fault, Wouldnt have to wait for a long term study, peer reviewed, clinical and independently conducted over a period of 10 years to satisfy our requirements.
I think this Dave Marcus thing is the tie in we have been looking for.
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I'm not looking for a 'tie in' of any sort. The Marcus book has been discussed in detail for years here and everyone agrees it's a shill piece bought and paid for by Aspen Education which now hires Marcus to do lectures and facilitate groups of some sort.
What's clear is that Marcus is paid by Aspen and that all of the kids he followed failed, with one ending up dead. Marcus I guess is the 'tie in' to Aspen's abject failure rate, 100% in the case of the kids Marcus watched.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I'm not looking for a 'tie in' of any sort. The Marcusbook has been discussed in detail for years here and everyone agrees it's a shill piece bought and paid for by Aspen Education which now hires Marcus to do lectures and facilitate groups of some sort.
What's clear is that Marcus is paid by Aspen and that all of the kids he followed failed, with one ending up dead. Marcus I guess is the 'tie in' to Aspen's abject failure rate, 100% in the case of the kids Marcus watched.
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Exactly, that is why it is important for people to read the Book!! To get a first hand account of what it is like inside these evil places. If we can get people to just read it then that would be getting the word out.
Then they can google his name and find out how he is tied in with Aspen... its all great stuff!!
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I wonder how Marcus feels now after learning that all four of "his kids" at ASR failed with one ending up dead? Even though it's a small sample, it tells us that ASR has a 100% failure rate and a 25% death rate. I think a bigger. less biased sample would make these numbers go even higher (Marcus' subjects were hand-picked by Aspen based on the probablility odf success). Funny how they picked their sample to prove effectiveness and it proves the exact opposite. Too bad nobody is allowed to do a clinical trial on ASR. If it were allowed, there would be no more denying Aspen's utter failure to help any kids.
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