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RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---I know there are kids, like yourself, that were hurt by the industry and I know there are abusive staff and programs which I would never recommend to a neighbor or family member. But the volume doesn’t offset the kids that were helped. We need to expose the ugly side of the industry, but it needs to be done honestly and without effecting the segment of the industry that is helpful to the kids and their families.
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You know there were kids hurt by this industry? John you send kids to be hurt by this industry. Whatsmore, you yourself adamently claimed that less then 1% of all kids ever incarcerated at these places were ever abused, You later changed your claim to 0, You claimed we were all liars. On top of that you talk about the volume of kids who were helped. Where are they John? Again you and your kiddie abusing pals have had more then 30 years to document the effectiveness of this "treatment" what's the hold up. 30 years and not a single study done? What's the volume John? What's the percentage? Can you provide any real evidence to back up your claim? Anything at all?
along comes mary:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I have seen many accounts (my daughter specifically) who are much stronger individuals post program then when they went in.
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Yeah. I'm a lot stronger post program, I'll give you that...
But I wonder... was it the program's 'effectiveness' that made me stronger?...
OR was it the fact that:
...I had to learn on my feet how to handle seeing my friends turned into mindless shells as they internalized they disgust that hey were slathered with so generously by their 'counselors'?
...Had to handle the pressures of being interrogated while my body was screaming after hours of forced PT?
...Being screeched at by men with military training that I would give them the answer they wanted, whether or not it was the truth, or else I would be there until I lost consciousness from pain or dehydration?
Learning that no one can be trusted?
That neither the adults who I was in the 'care' of, nor my parents would protect me from physical and mental abuse?
... Just something you might want to think about. Or better yet, ask your daughter.
--- Quote ---I have seen kids lose parents and loved ones. I have seen them in the depths of abuse, take some heavy hits from life and manage to emerge without inflicting damage on themselves physical or mental and continue on with their lives. These were the same kids who were so fragile that any one of these events would have sent them spirally on a self destructive path.
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Right again. The survivors survive. That was what we had to do at HLA and that is what we've been doing since.
POWs can handle the death of a loved one, too.
Are you missing the point that we are not stronger, as much as we are desensitized?
Do you think being hard and uncaring is better than being human and 'fragile'?
Do you not think that adolescent girls (or boys) are supposed to be fragile? That that is what adolescence IS?
And if not, than maybe you can specify an age at which children are no longer entitled to 'fragility'... Why wait until adolescence at all? Why not begin the torture as soon as language acquisition begins? I mean we don't need all these toddlers throwing tantrums as they 'spiral into self-destructive paths' of saying "NO" and fighting with their siblings and eating paste.
Maybe you should consider giving a little less credit for your daughter's strength to the program, and a little more to your daughter.
Namaste
RobertBruce:
He can't ask his daughter, he doesn't have one. He had two sons but one of them killed himself to get away from his father, This was of course after Whooter locked him up in ASR and SUWS. He has another son who he sent, still believing the crock of shit does anyone any good anywhere, to HLA.
Hey John, why dont you ask Mike if he's stronger after going through your program?
He currently is an industry shill, taking underprivledged kids and forcing them into these places. If he gets thrown a bone back for it...well who's to know right Whootie?
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "along comes mary" ---
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I have seen many accounts (my daughter specifically) who are much stronger individuals post program then when they went in.
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Yeah. I'm a lot stronger post program, I'll give you that...
But I wonder... was it the program's 'effectiveness' that made me stronger?...
OR was it the fact that:
...I had to learn on my feet how to handle seeing my friends turned into mindless shells as they internalized they disgust that hey were slathered with so generously by their 'counselors'?
...Had to handle the pressures of being interrogated while my body was screaming after hours of forced PT?
...Being screeched at by men with military training that I would give them the answer they wanted, whether or not it was the truth, or else I would be there until I lost consciousness from pain or dehydration?
Learning that no one can be trusted?
That neither the adults who I was in the 'care' of, nor my parents would protect me from physical and mental abuse?
... Just something you might want to think about. Or better yet, ask your daughter.
--- Quote ---I have seen kids lose parents and loved ones. I have seen them in the depths of abuse, take some heavy hits from life and manage to emerge without inflicting damage on themselves physical or mental and continue on with their lives. These were the same kids who were so fragile that any one of these events would have sent them spirally on a self destructive path.
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Right again. The survivors survive. That was what we had to do at HLA and that is what we've been doing since.
POWs can handle the death of a loved one, too.
Are you missing the point that we are not stronger, as much as we are desensitized?
Do you think being hard and uncaring is better than being human and 'fragile'?
Do you not think that adolescent girls (or boys) are supposed to be fragile? That that is what adolescence IS?
And if not, than maybe you can specify an age at which children are no longer entitled to 'fragility'... Why wait until adolescence at all? Why not begin the torture as soon as language acquisition begins? I mean we don't need all these toddlers throwing tantrums as they 'spiral into self-destructive paths' of saying "NO" and fighting with their siblings and eating paste.
Maybe you should consider giving a little less credit for your daughter's strength to the program, and a little more to your daughter.
Namaste
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Posts like yours convince me even more that there are wide differences between programs. My daughter had a great experience. She will be the first one to admit it was hard and wouldnt want to do it again, but there was no abuse and she always felt safe with the staff there. She is a stronger person post program because of what she learned about herself there. She learned she was in charge of her own destiny and could choose how to live her life. I am sorry for what you had to go thru. I wish everyone could have the same experience we did, but unfortunately there will always be people in this world who prey on children. If not in a program then in a summer camp some place or public school. The programs which stand by and allow this to occur or turn a blind eye to it need to change or be shut down.
I think we all agree more than we disagree but we seem to be passionate in the areas of our differences. Your experience was vastly different than my daughters and we need to work harder to elliminate what you have gone thru in programs and do more of what my daughter had. If you had more compassionate staff and program model, Mary, I think you would have a better view of the industry.
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---If you had more compassionate staff and program model, Mary, I think you would have a better view of the industry.
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Haven't seen anything resembling this yet. Are you going to invent one?
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