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TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Lacey" ---So let me get this straight. You think that if I were to get pulled into a back alleyway tomorrow walking home from work, and were raped, that the "harrassment" (YOUR WORDS) I endured at Hidden Lake would better prepare me to "deal with it".
If by your own admission HLA "harrasses" rape victims, then what tools could I have possibly learned from these well equipped "professionals" to handle such an ordeal?
What qualifications do you hold in the treatment of rape victims to make these kinds of statements? What personal experience do you have with the effect of rape on a young person to say that anything I ENDURED (not benefited from) at Hidden Lake Academy would prepare me for my hypotectical future rape?
You're absolutely right. The biggest consistency I see in the forum is the misrepresentation of FACT. However this is not from people like me, or Bruce, or DJ, or any of the other people that you have attempted to rip apart in a desperate and delusional attempt to discredit them and every word they utter. Its from you, and those with the same motives.
The simple fact of the matter is that nothing NEGATIVE has come from the things that we have said here on fornits. What has resulted has been accountability, HLA being lisenced, and an overall airing out of HLA's dirty laundry. You spewing your self proclaimed "truths" do nothing but attempt to obscure and distract from the REAL issues at Hidden Lake.
Who. I know, to the very core of everything I am, what happened at Hidden Lake. I do not need 3000 pages of reports to remind me. You can claim to be a "defender of truth", but I KNOW the truth. I lived it and breathed it for 23 months. And nothing of what you defend is anything that I would ever, EVER align myself with. I feel very sorry for you, Who. Because there are only two options here. Either your blissfully and wholeheartedly ignorant to anything real that has happend at Hidden Lake, and are due a very, very rude awakening. Or... You already know the truth, and are so devoid of any humanity that you would go on protecting these sick, sick individuals. If the latter is indeed the case... Then there truly is nothing left to say.
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I have seen many accounts (my daughter specifically) who are much stronger individuals post program then when they went in. I have seen kids lose parents and loved ones. I have seen them in the depths of abuse, take some heavy hits from life and manage to emerge without inflicting damage on themselves physical or mental and continue on with their lives. These were the same kids who were so fragile that any one of these events would have sent them spirally on a self destructive path.
I know there are kids, like yourself, that were hurt by the industry and I know there are abusive staff and programs which I would never recommend to a neighbor or family member. But the volume doesn’t offset the kids that were helped. We need to expose the ugly side of the industry, but it needs to be done honestly and without effecting the segment of the industry that is helpful to the kids and their families.
I dont expect you to understand any of this from your vantage point as I cant see what you are feeling. But I truly believe if we can keep the information honest and call people on their BS posts (pro and anti program) and keep questioning until the truth surfaces then we will know where to focus the effort.
Hating the entire public school system and wanting it shut down because of one or two schools or staff members is just not going to work and is an ineffective use of peoples time . You are just spinning your wheels with no end. So HLA is licensed. Are you happy now? Does it make it a better place? Licensing may make programs more marketable and allow them to expand more easily. It will allow the parents to get loans more easily and maybe the loans would be guaranteed by the government if they have oversight.
If regulation is a goal then that is a noble effort to work towards and would have a measurable progress. But it is impossible to hold a yardstick up to the effects of spreading hatred and mistruths. Where do you, DJ and Bruce expect it to go?
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "truthtroller" ---I did not find this event anywhere in the court papers. I did not find any recognition of other abuse, either. Please enlighten us with the doc/page number of the accusation in the court documents. If you find anything, which I doubt, then be sure to give the counter, also. Otherwise, you're biased and not a reliable source for objectivity. Also, how are you privy to someone's private medical records? Hearsay is worthless. Even I can make up hearsay. Like a lot of this website, I think you're full of it and made it up or else you believe everything everyone tells you, which makes you very gullible to lies.
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Clarke told the truth about this. Kristen Bell and Josh Watson were there and they all will never forget it, nor will the childs' mother. You speak without knowledge. You were not involved in any parts of the investigations into HLA nor did you speak with the parents of those injured in a myriad of incidents, including rape and not just 'this' rape. Again, your blinded by your ignorance. People worked thankless hours researching, taking calls, making calls to expose this fiasco. Staff took emormous risk to expose the truth at HLA, some risked their entire career, their families. Some bureid their head in the sand. Massive amounts of emails, letters, etc, came in from families, staff, former staff, Psychiatrists affiliated with HLA, which is privileged info... also the children were minors. I have over 15,000. paper doc's myself, not to mention electronic copy . And, it is not just me. We all received doc's that were turned over. Everything that came in, went to Berger and Montague.. People were contacting Berger and Montague directly from all over the country, years apart, but all saying the same thing. The ORS has the incidents from interviewing children, families, 911 calls, LCSO interviews etc. If you were part of the initial investigation, the lawsuit and the GAO investigation, you would have been aware of their existence.
Conspiracy? Complicity. The State turned their backs for years on the children, knowing what was transpiring at HLA, but did not have the backbone to butt heads against Buccellato.
We want accountability and an apology that will never come from the agencies, the State of Georgia and Buccellato himself.
Each and every parent of a child that was injured at HLA that I spoke with, were totally devasted. There were nights when the tears that soaked their faces, stung my heart. I never met any of them, they didn't know each other, they just needed to cry and somehow found me. Try listening to a mother of a child that they, the parents, found in the woods, raped and shot up with drugs, while LCSO were scratching their heads on the drive at HLA. The child ended up in a Mental Institution and last I spoke to the mother, she was lost to them. Or, the children that were hazed, zip-tied, cold cocked or found hanging in a closet...there was no supervision and certainly no care for these troubled children. HLA was over their head and not qualified to accept or care for these children. Heroin addicts? The second HLA found out that any child was an active heroin , barbituate, opiate, whatever user, those families should have been called and told HLA was not qualified to detox any addicts, period. The child in question should have been removed. That is what a decent P.H.D. in Psychology should do, but then again this was/is Buccellato.
How can you be so callous, "if we cannot learn from history.. Unless we were all put in a trance by a spaceship 15 years apart, in some cases, this all happened, deal with it, learn from it and work toward it not being allowed to occur again.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "JillRyan" ---
--- Quote from: "truthtroller" ---I did not find this event anywhere in the court papers. I did not find any recognition of other abuse, either. Please enlighten us with the doc/page number of the accusation in the court documents. If you find anything, which I doubt, then be sure to give the counter, also. Otherwise, you're biased and not a reliable source for objectivity. Also, how are you privy to someone's private medical records? Hearsay is worthless. Even I can make up hearsay. Like a lot of this website, I think you're full of it and made it up or else you believe everything everyone tells you, which makes you very gullible to lies.
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How can you be so callous, "if we cannot learn from history.. Unless we were all put in a trance by a spaceship 15 years apart, in some cases, this all happened, deal with it, learn from it and work toward it not being allowed to occur again.
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Why not arrest the perps, all the staff that collaborated in these atrocities, and the men who organized them: Rudy Bentz and L.B?
along comes mary:
--- Quote from: "Lacey" ---
So let me get this straight. You think that if I were to get pulled into a back alleyway tomorrow walking home from work, and were raped, that the "harrassment" (YOUR WORDS) I endured at Hidden Lake would better prepare me to "deal with it".
If by your own admission HLA "harrasses" rape victims, then what tools could I have possibly learned from these well equipped "professionals" to handle such an ordeal?
What qualifications do you hold in the treatment of rape victims to make these kinds of statements? What personal experience do you have with the effect of rape on a young person to say that anything I ENDURED (not benefited from) at Hidden Lake Academy would prepare me for my hypotectical future rape?
You're absolutely right. The biggest consistency I see in the forum is the misrepresentation of FACT. However this is not from people like me, or Bruce, or DJ, or any of the other people that you have attempted to rip apart in a desperate and delusional attempt to discredit them and every word they utter. Its from you, and those with the same motives.
The simple fact of the matter is that nothing NEGATIVE has come from the things that we have said here on fornits. What has resulted has been accountability, HLA being lisenced, and an overall airing out of HLA's dirty laundry. You spewing your self proclaimed "truths" do nothing but attempt to obscure and distract from the REAL issues at Hidden Lake.
Who. I know, to the very core of everything I am, what happened at Hidden Lake. I do not need 3000 pages of reports to remind me. You can claim to be a "defender of truth", but I KNOW the truth. I lived it and breathed it for 23 months. And nothing of what you defend is anything that I would ever, EVER align myself with. I feel very sorry for you, Who. Because there are only two options here. Either your blissfully and wholeheartedly ignorant to anything real that has happend at Hidden Lake, and are due a very, very rude awakening. Or... You already know the truth, and are so devoid of any humanity that you would go on protecting these sick, sick individuals. If the latter is indeed the case... Then there truly is nothing left to say.
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Amen, babe...
Anonymous:
Lacey wrote:
"Who. I know, to the very core of everything I am, what happened at Hidden Lake. I do not need 3000 pages of reports to remind me. You can claim to be a "defender of truth", but I KNOW the truth. I lived it and breathed it for 23 months. And nothing of what you defend is anything that I would ever, EVER align myself with. I feel very sorry for you, Who. Because there are only two options here. Either your blissfully and wholeheartedly ignorant to anything real that has happend at Hidden Lake, and are due a very, very rude awakening. Or... You already know the truth, and are so devoid of any humanity that you would go on protecting these sick, sick individuals. If the latter is indeed the case... Then there truly is nothing left to say."
APTLY STATED.
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