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RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---I dont see myself as a defender of HLA. I see myself as a defender of the truth. I mentioned earlier that I wouldn’t send my kid there. You have been here long enough to know that the truth isn’t a big priority here as long as the program looks bad. Take the inspection results of HLA. The reports clearly stated that the report was a list of discrepancies found, but posters like Bruce and others would rather mislead readers into believing that HLA failed every aspect of the inspection. To me this deception does everyone harm. No one else spoke up except myself. There are posters who feel everyone that dies post program is a result of the program even if they have been out for years. The reason they post crap like this is not for accuracy but to discredit programs. But what they dont realize is that they are discrediting fornits. Virtually no poster would step up and challenge a piece of information that portrayed a program negatively no matter how far fetched the story or information is. Many would rather sit in silence hoping the misinformation will drive readers to believe the worst is true about programs and decide not to send their child based on this. But what people dont see is this backfires and makes the forum look foolish.
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John shut the fuck up. Really. You aren't a defender of any truth. You ignore it when it's staring you right in the face time and time again. Ask me for examples dipshit, I'd be glad to embarrass you yet again. You are motivated soley by greed. You not would send your kid there, you did. Time will tell if he follows suit on your other kid and kills himself to get away from you. What you call discrepancies is merely your way of spinning the word "voilation". If as you claim fornits has no credibility, then why are we having such an effect? Why have there been so many attempts to silence us? Why have there been so many attempts at lawsuits and threats? And why now is the industry cowtowing and going so far as to invite Antigen to their annual kiddie abusing confrence?
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---But continuously asking questions and challenging answers, playing the devils advocate the truth eventually comes to the surface as it did in the last discussion on licensure.
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Really? You denied for years that HLA and ASR were even avoiding licensure. You refused to look at the facts, and then when it came to light that we were telling the truth, you suddenlly became rather quiet on the issue. So tell us all, what truth did you bring to the surface?
--- Quote ---I do believe that programs prepare kids for what life has to throw at them post program. I dont believe all programs are good or bad nor are they all alike. Many posters here like to envision the worst of the programs and peddle the idea that all programs are the same and damaging which we all know isn’t true but is good for the agenda of discrediting any program that comes along in discussion
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What are you basing this on John? What studies have recently emerged showcasing the effectiveness of this industry? Come on John, your pals have had 30+ years. What's the hold up? What life lessons are learned from the program John? What was I taught that my public school peers are so woefully ignorant of. Please enlighten all of us.
--- Quote ---So Lacey, I think it is awful that that had to happen to you. I do not condone that treatment. I dont think all schools would do the same thing and I actually know they would not. I dont condone harassment. I do believethat if the rape occured post program you would be in a stronger position to deal with it then you were before hand.
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Why? You think because her mind was already raped repeatedly it shouldnt be that big of a deal to have her body raped as well? You're disgusting John, hell exist for people like you.
--- Quote ---But you cannot honestly believe that spreading or allowing the spread of misinformation is going to have any long term lasting effect against these places. They need to be exposed for what they are and back it all up with facts and data. If you try to fool people with lies then the whole site loses its credibility.
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Then again, explain why we are having such an affect. If you're the one providing facts and we're spewing off misinformation then why are people listening to us while you simply get told to shut the fuck up? Why is licensure being forced on gulag after gulag? Why are so many of these places being sued or shutting down? Why John? Or is the other way around? You've been exposed as a liar on multiple occasions, we've been vindicated time and time again. Face facts Jon, we're telling the truth about how abusives these places you earn your living off of, and you just cant stand the idea of losing your bread and butter.
TheWho:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---TheWho, can you explain again to Lacey how she is better off now than before HLA? Please tell this poor girl again how HLA helps sexual abuse victims get "tools" to deal with those issues. It looks like she's not getting your point about how she would have been worse off without HLA.
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Re-read the post, it was TheWho who was asking the guestion, not the other way around. Also I think the original point was that a child would be better prepared for life, after their stay at HLA, not prepared for events that occured before they went to HLA.
I understand it can be confusing with all these guest posts, but it seems thewho agrees with many of you on this issue.
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Before or after, Who.... How could a program that took that approach to sexual abuse victims possibly have any degree of compitency with preparing someone for a future sexual attack? By employing those very tactics? Which OBVIOUSLY do not work? I was further victimized by the very people my parents payed hundreds of thousands of dollars to, thinking they were helping. That is FACT.
I have read your posts for YEARS, Who. How can you possibly sit there and defend Hidden Lake Academy? The awful truth of this is that they are severely damaging children. I am not some sensationalist that wants to poke my nose in every argument that is started here on fornits, which is why in 3 or 4 years, I only have a small number of posts. You can come up with all the "facts" that you'd like, or attempt to discredit every HLA former student, parent or staff that speaks out against it. But please. Please tell me how a 15 year old girl sitting in a room with 17 strangers, in a state she's never been to, away from her parents for the first time in her life could possibly feel safe enough to recount intimate details of a rape, and have it be constructive in any way possible. They ask her was it dark out, was it light out. What color was the car she was in the back of. What words did he say to her while he was on top of her. Did he use a condom? Did it make her feel dirty? Did he use a chain or a rope to tie her leg to the front seat? As fucking uncomfortable as it is to read through those questions, imagine sitting in that fucking room having to answer them! And when I hesitated at all I was threatened with punishment and degraded as not wanting to "cooperate" with my "treatment". Please, Who. I am begging you. TELL ME HOW THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE WORTH DEFENDING. I am calling you out. I have never addressed you directly but you'd better step up and show your true colors here.
I have NOTHING to gain from speaking out against HLA. I live my life now, happily devoid of anything having to do with Hidden Lake. I chose not to be involved in the lawsuit. I never spent a penny that I'd want to recapture from that place. My ONLY reason for posting any of this is to get the truth about that place out. To save some other scared shitless little girl from ever having to endure all that I did while I was there.
What is it that YOU have to gain from defending a place like this?
I anxiously await your response.
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I dont see myself as a defender of HLA. I see myself as a defender of the truth. I mentioned earlier that I wouldn’t send my kid there. You have been here long enough to know that the truth isn’t a big priority here as long as the program looks bad. Take the inspection results of HLA. The reports clearly stated that the report was a list of discrepancies found, but posters like Bruce and others would rather mislead readers into believing that HLA failed every aspect of the inspection. To me this deception does everyone harm. No one else spoke up except myself. There are posters who feel everyone that dies post program is a result of the program even if they have been out for years. The reason they post crap like this is not for accuracy but to discredit programs. But what they dont realize is that they are discrediting fornits. Virtually no poster would step up and challenge a piece of information that portrayed a program negatively no matter how far fetched the story or information is. Many would rather sit in silence hoping the misinformation will drive readers to believe the worst is true about programs and decide not to send their child based on this. But what people dont see is this backfires and makes the forum look foolish.
But continuously asking questions and challenging answers, playing the devils advocate the truth eventually comes to the surface as it did in the last discussion on licensure.
I do believe that programs prepare kids for what life has to throw at them post program. I dont believe all programs are good or bad nor are they all alike. Many posters here like to envision the worst of the programs and peddle the idea that all programs are the same and damaging which we all know isn’t true but is good for the agenda of discrediting any program that comes along in discussion.
So Lacey, I think it is awful that that had to happen to you. I do not condone that treatment. I dont think all schools would do the same thing and I actually know they would not. I dont condone harassment. I do believethat if the rape occured post program you would be in a stronger position to deal with it then you were before hand.
But you cannot honestly believe that spreading or allowing the spread of misinformation is going to have any long term lasting effect against these places. They need to be exposed for what they are and back it all up with facts and data. If you try to fool people with lies then the whole site loses its credibility.
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Lacey:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---TheWho, can you explain again to Lacey how she is better off now than before HLA? Please tell this poor girl again how HLA helps sexual abuse victims get "tools" to deal with those issues. It looks like she's not getting your point about how she would have been worse off without HLA.
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Re-read the post, it was TheWho who was asking the guestion, not the other way around. Also I think the original point was that a child would be better prepared for life, after their stay at HLA, not prepared for events that occured before they went to HLA.
I understand it can be confusing with all these guest posts, but it seems thewho agrees with many of you on this issue.
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Before or after, Who.... How could a program that took that approach to sexual abuse victims possibly have any degree of compitency with preparing someone for a future sexual attack? By employing those very tactics? Which OBVIOUSLY do not work? I was further victimized by the very people my parents payed hundreds of thousands of dollars to, thinking they were helping. That is FACT.
I have read your posts for YEARS, Who. How can you possibly sit there and defend Hidden Lake Academy? The awful truth of this is that they are severely damaging children. I am not some sensationalist that wants to poke my nose in every argument that is started here on fornits, which is why in 3 or 4 years, I only have a small number of posts. You can come up with all the "facts" that you'd like, or attempt to discredit every HLA former student, parent or staff that speaks out against it. But please. Please tell me how a 15 year old girl sitting in a room with 17 strangers, in a state she's never been to, away from her parents for the first time in her life could possibly feel safe enough to recount intimate details of a rape, and have it be constructive in any way possible. They ask her was it dark out, was it light out. What color was the car she was in the back of. What words did he say to her while he was on top of her. Did he use a condom? Did it make her feel dirty? Did he use a chain or a rope to tie her leg to the front seat? As fucking uncomfortable as it is to read through those questions, imagine sitting in that fucking room having to answer them! And when I hesitated at all I was threatened with punishment and degraded as not wanting to "cooperate" with my "treatment". Please, Who. I am begging you. TELL ME HOW THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE WORTH DEFENDING. I am calling you out. I have never addressed you directly but you'd better step up and show your true colors here.
I have NOTHING to gain from speaking out against HLA. I live my life now, happily devoid of anything having to do with Hidden Lake. I chose not to be involved in the lawsuit. I never spent a penny that I'd want to recapture from that place. My ONLY reason for posting any of this is to get the truth about that place out. To save some other scared shitless little girl from ever having to endure all that I did while I was there.
What is it that YOU have to gain from defending a place like this?
I anxiously await your response.
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I dont see myself as a defender of HLA. I see myself as a defender of the truth. I mentioned earlier that I wouldn’t send my kid there. You have been here long enough to know that the truth isn’t a big priority here as long as the program looks bad. Take the inspection results of HLA. The reports clearly stated that the report was a list of discrepancies found, but posters like Bruce and others would rather mislead readers into believing that HLA failed every aspect of the inspection. To me this deception does everyone harm. No one else spoke up except myself. There are posters who feel everyone that dies post program is a result of the program even if they have been out for years. The reason they post crap like this is not for accuracy but to discredit programs. But what they dont realize is that they are discrediting fornits. Virtually no poster would step up and challenge a piece of information that portrayed a program negatively no matter how far fetched the story or information is. Many would rather sit in silence hoping the misinformation will drive readers to believe the worst is true about programs and decide not to send their child based on this. But what people dont see is this backfires and makes the forum look foolish.
But continuously asking questions and challenging answers, playing the devils advocate the truth eventually comes to the surface as it did in the last discussion on licensure.
I do believe that programs prepare kids for what life has to throw at them post program. I dont believe all programs are good or bad nor are they all alike. Many posters here like to envision the worst of the programs and peddle the idea that all programs are the same and damaging which we all know isn’t true but is good for the agenda of discrediting any program that comes along in discussion.
So Lacey, I think it is awful that that had to happen to you. I do not condone that treatment. I dont think all schools would do the same thing and I actually know they would not. I dont condone harassment. I do believethat if the rape occured post program you would be in a stronger position to deal with it then you were before hand.
But you cannot honestly believe that spreading or allowing the spread of misinformation is going to have any long term lasting effect against these places. They need to be exposed for what they are and back it all up with facts and data. If you try to fool people with lies then the whole site loses its credibility.
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So let me get this straight. You think that if I were to get pulled into a back alleyway tomorrow walking home from work, and were raped, that the "harrassment" (YOUR WORDS) I endured at Hidden Lake would better prepare me to "deal with it".
If by your own admission HLA "harrasses" rape victims, then what tools could I have possibly learned from these well equipped "professionals" to handle such an ordeal?
What qualifications do you hold in the treatment of rape victims to make these kinds of statements? What personal experience do you have with the effect of rape on a young person to say that anything I ENDURED (not benefited from) at Hidden Lake Academy would prepare me for my hypotectical future rape?
You're absolutely right. The biggest consistency I see in the forum is the misrepresentation of FACT. However this is not from people like me, or Bruce, or DJ, or any of the other people that you have attempted to rip apart in a desperate and delusional attempt to discredit them and every word they utter. Its from you, and those with the same motives.
The simple fact of the matter is that nothing NEGATIVE has come from the things that we have said here on fornits. What has resulted has been accountability, HLA being lisenced, and an overall airing out of HLA's dirty laundry. You spewing your self proclaimed "truths" do nothing but attempt to obscure and distract from the REAL issues at Hidden Lake.
Who. I know, to the very core of everything I am, what happened at Hidden Lake. I do not need 3000 pages of reports to remind me. You can claim to be a "defender of truth", but I KNOW the truth. I lived it and breathed it for 23 months. And nothing of what you defend is anything that I would ever, EVER align myself with. I feel very sorry for you, Who. Because there are only two options here. Either your blissfully and wholeheartedly ignorant to anything real that has happend at Hidden Lake, and are due a very, very rude awakening. Or... You already know the truth, and are so devoid of any humanity that you would go on protecting these sick, sick individuals. If the latter is indeed the case... Then there truly is nothing left to say.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Lacey" ---So let me get this straight. You think that if I were to get pulled into a back alleyway tomorrow walking home from work, and were raped, that the "harrassment" (YOUR WORDS) I endured at Hidden Lake would better prepare me to "deal with it".
If by your own admission HLA "harrasses" rape victims, then what tools could I have possibly learned from these well equipped "professionals" to handle such an ordeal?
What qualifications do you hold in the treatment of rape victims to make these kinds of statements? What personal experience do you have with the effect of rape on a young person to say that anything I ENDURED (not benefited from) at Hidden Lake Academy would prepare me for my hypotectical future rape?
You're absolutely right. The biggest consistency I see in the forum is the misrepresentation of FACT. However this is not from people like me, or Bruce, or DJ, or any of the other people that you have attempted to rip apart in a desperate and delusional attempt to discredit them and every word they utter. Its from you, and those with the same motives.
The simple fact of the matter is that nothing NEGATIVE has come from the things that we have said here on fornits. What has resulted has been accountability, HLA being lisenced, and an overall airing out of HLA's dirty laundry. You spewing your self proclaimed "truths" do nothing but attempt to obscure and distract from the REAL issues at Hidden Lake.
Who. I know, to the very core of everything I am, what happened at Hidden Lake. I do not need 3000 pages of reports to remind me. You can claim to be a "defender of truth", but I KNOW the truth. I lived it and breathed it for 23 months. And nothing of what you defend is anything that I would ever, EVER align myself with. I feel very sorry for you, Who. Because there are only two options here. Either your blissfully and wholeheartedly ignorant to anything real that has happend at Hidden Lake, and are due a very, very rude awakening. Or... You already know the truth, and are so devoid of any humanity that you would go on protecting these sick, sick individuals. If the latter is indeed the case... Then there truly is nothing left to say.
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