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Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "FemanonFatal2.0" ---I don't think this argument has anything to do with the color Orange at all... its the symbolism of that jumpsuit in general. When I was in a WWASP school the sweatsuit they gave me was blue, but no less humiliating than if they were orange. I stuck out like a sore thumb wearing blue sweatpants that were about 4 sizes too small and just about the most uncomfortable and ugliest looking sweatpants EVER! and of course they were hand me downs, I guess that $2000 a month couldn't afford me my own pair of sweatpants. Regardless of the color the same degradation existed, it goes without saying that I was treated differently but the difference is how I felt about myself. I really can't explain to you how embarrassing and nerve wracking it is to be attending a seminar (co ed, unlike the facility) wearing that ridiculous outfit, not to mention we couldn't shave our legs or pluck our eyebrows, put any product in our hair or cover up our acne. It was truly a mortifying experience, I felt so ugly, so un-kept, disgusting. Considering what I was forced to wear, I would have actually preferred that they just put me in an orange jumpsuit.
I think that the issue here is that these schools have their way of degrading the students in every possible way, weather that be physically or mentally... its really a miserable experience for the kid, I just don't understand how they can justify this treatment when only rarely does the ends justify the means.
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The end never justifies the means. Organized degradation doesnt help people; it drives them insane This is indisputable medical fact. At WWASP were you strip searched, did you have to deal with constant forced public nudity: being "watched" by other kids deemed 'more reformed' while you went to the bathroom or forced to bathe publicly? Who performed the strip searches or the 'muscle' behind them? From what I've read, it's the other teen detainees forced into abusing others to save themselves abuse. That, by the way, is psychological torture and sexual abuse.
http://humanrights.ucdavis.edu/projects ... -for-a-day
"If a prisoner does something wrong in the guard’s point of view, he’s taken to a small room where his beard is shaved off.
Humiliations like these and others cause the men living in these conditions day after day and year after year eventually to become mentally ill, Remes claims. To show what Gitmo detainees go through during searches and how humiliating such treatment is, Remes then pulled down his pants, explaining that the guards search every part of a prisoner’s body – even their private parts. “You can’t imagine how humiliating this is [for them] unless you see it,” he explained as the reason for removing his own pants. He continued, “They punish them by taking them into a small room completely naked."
TheWho:
--- Quote ---Yes, they could make them wear stripes to degrade them. But since stripes were largely phased out of prisons ages ago and replaced with orange jumpsuits, forcing them to wear those orange jumpsuits is more effectively degrading and dehumanizing.
Phsycally forcing someone to wear any uniform that designates they're bad and must be subject to certain tortures, as are indicated in Dad's own blog: the constant precense of an adolescant guard, no speaking to other kids on "her level" the "lowest level," is degrading and abusive.
And lets not forget how that uniform got on her: she was physically forced to put that uniform on by other adolescent detainees or staff, or threatened with being physically forcefully stripped and re-clothed or with other torture..
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Sorry, I just don’t buy it. Its a friggin jump suit which is color coded to show the person is new or on level one etc. All the kids went thru it, the others wouldnt judge her.
--- Quote --- Are you so absurd as to assert that WWASP and ASPEN does not hold kids prisoner without due process or habeas corpus?
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Look, Katie isn’t in prison. It’s a program. She is underage and under the care of her parents until she is 21 (18). She will get her freedoms then like everyone else.
--- Quote --- A kid who ran away wearing blue pants and yellow shirts would be assumed to be a poorly dressed kid. A kid in an orange jumpsuit would be assumed to be a runaway from some sort of official institution, most likely a prison.
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Yes, but the locals know what the kids wear and would spot them easy enough. But the orange suit would stand out more, I agree. But if the child is a flight risk then this would be beneficial and would assist in catching the child more quickly.
psy:
--- Quote from: "NeilW" ---Look, Katie isn’t in prison. It’s a program.
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Aside from the word, what's the difference?
Oh... I see. There is due process for those sent to prison. They also have contact with the outside world an access to an attorney. I see. In prison they aren't trying day in and day out to break you down and strip you of your identity.
I know quite a few people who have been to Juvie and a program. Guess which one they say is worse, unanimously?
psy:
--- Quote from: "NeilW" ---But if the child is a flight risk then this would be beneficial and would assist in catching the child more quickly.
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Flight risk? Let me ask you something. If you, without due process (meaning it could be because of who you dated or what your religious preference was), were grabbed in the middle of the night out of your bed, handcuffed, and taken away screaming to a facility where you can't even talk to your parents... Would you not try to escape?
Anonymous:
--- Quote --- Are you so absurd as to assert that WWASP and ASPEN does not hold kids prisoner without due process or habeas corpus?
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Look, Katie isn’t in prison. It’s a program. She is underage and under the care of her parents until she is 21 (18). She will get her freedoms then like everyone else.
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Oh, I see. You are not saying that WWASP and ASPEN do not hold young adults captive. You are saying holding a human being prisoner "doesn't count" when the human being is under 21.
Just curious, If you raped a 20 year olds after her parents asked you to, since it wouldnt be rape because she doesn't have her "freedoms," what do you call it?
Youre like a Nazi who thinks he really isn't "murdering" Jews because you can't muder a Jew anymore than you can "murder" bacteria. And you can't "imprison" a 20 year old anymore than you can imprison bacteria, right, Who?
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/1219.htm
"When slaves begin to accept their role and identify with their master, constant physical bondage becomes unnecessary. They come to perceive their situation not as a deliberate action taken to harm them in particular but as part of the normal, if regrettable, scheme of things."
I guess that "masters" can come to see what they do as normal, too.
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