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Anonymous:
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Neil: "What, you're saying forcing a kid to wear orange scrubs intended demark she is subhuman is abusive? Crazy Talk!
There’s Nothing wrong with forcing a girl into orange scrubs
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We agree here? The color is not an issue. You changed your mind, read on.
--- Quote --- [if she refuses the other adolescent-prisoner-guards will strip her nude and force the uniform onto her, along with other tortures] which enable the adolescent-prisoner-guards to immediately identify her as at the very subhuman “level”—the “level” at which she isn’t allowed to be without an adolescent-prisoner-guard, or speak to other girls at her “level”, and various other escape prevention, mind control and debasement oriented cruelties—and enforce the “rules” of that level.
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--- Quote from: "neilW" ---You forgot cutting her arms and legs off and throwing her into a ditch. What does this have to do with the color of the suit?
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Are you implying WWASP doesn't force its prisoners to torture other prisoners in return for eligibility for release and in exchange for enduring a lesser degree of torture? How do you think WWASP got Katie's adolescent guard to watch her and that other detainee who "went" catatonic? How do they manage to keep Katie from leaving, orange suit or no?
http://nospank.net/complaint2tc.pdf
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20BBA%20Main.htm
“16. Cadets at Bethel Boys Academy[wwasp gulag] are forced to guard, harass, mock, assault, and physically injure other cadets on command. They are not given a meaningful choice concerning whether to commit such acts against other cadets. They are forced to commit violent crimes against other cadets as a matter of survival. The choice is one between doing the beating, or receiving the beating.”
There are documents like this, and survivor and staff testimony detailing this at each WWASP and ASPEN gulag.
TheWho:
--- Quote ---NeilW, uniforms are used for different of purposes depending on the institution, right? Prisons, gulags and Auschwitz use uniforms for different purposes than NASA, right?
What are the differences between the purposes of the uniforms at Auschwitz and the purposes of the uniforms at NASA? Think these differences up, and write them down
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So if the program wanted the kids to feel like lowly prisoners in gulags they would put them in chains and make them wear stripes. But they don’t.
--- Quote --- Now, is NASA an organization devoted to holding people prisoner without due process on the rationale that they're bad i.e. "manipulative," "entitled," "disobedient"?
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No they are not and either do programs. The kids are not prisoners. The places are more like NASA then any prison
--- Quote --- Also, do you think when a civilian sees a haggard, distraught teenager in an orange jump suit they are more likely to think that the kid is an astronaut, or some kind of runaway prisoner
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It makes them stand out. If the kids all wore blue pants and yellow shirts the locals would identify them just as easily if they ran away. Orange isn’t degrading as you think.
--- Quote --- And Still refusing to answer what your connection to these guags is, you child torturing bitch? Child torturer and a coward--nice combo
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So you feel everyone who works to help kids and find better ways to make their lives better is a torturer. You judge programs by the color of their clothes. Just because it didn’t work out for you doesn’t mean it doesn’t for others. Sorry you cant see beyond the colors
FemanonFatal2.0:
I don't think this argument has anything to do with the color Orange at all... its the symbolism of that jumpsuit in general. When I was in a WWASP school the sweatsuit they gave me was blue, but no less humiliating than if they were orange. I stuck out like a sore thumb wearing blue sweatpants that were about 4 sizes too small and just about the most uncomfortable and ugliest looking sweatpants EVER! and of course they were hand me downs, I guess that $2000 a month couldn't afford me my own pair of sweatpants. Regardless of the color the same degradation existed, it goes without saying that I was treated differently but the difference is how I felt about myself. I really can't explain to you how embarrassing and nerve wracking it is to be attending a seminar (co ed, unlike the facility) wearing that ridiculous outfit, not to mention we couldn't shave our legs or pluck our eyebrows, put any product in our hair or cover up our acne. It was truly a mortifying experience, I felt so ugly, so un-kept, disgusting. Considering what I was forced to wear, I would have actually preferred that they just put me in an orange jumpsuit.
I think that the issue here is that these schools have their way of degrading the students in every possible way, weather that be physically or mentally... its really a miserable experience for the kid, I just don't understand how they can justify this treatment when only rarely does the ends justify the means.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote ---NeilW, uniforms are used for different of purposes depending on the institution, right? Prisons, gulags and Auschwitz use uniforms for different purposes than NASA, right?
What are the differences between the purposes of the uniforms at Auschwitz and the purposes of the uniforms at NASA? Think these differences up, and write them down
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So if the program wanted the kids to feel like lowly prisoners in gulags they would put them in chains and make them wear stripes. But they don’t."
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Yes, they could make them wear stripes to degrade them. But since stripes were largely phased out of prisons ages ago and replaced with orange jumpsuits, forcing them to wear those orange jumpsuits is more effectively degrading and dehumanizing.
Phsycally forcing someone to wear any uniform that designates they're bad and must be subject to certain tortures, as are indicated in Dad's own blog: the constant precense of an adolescant guard, no speaking to other kids on "her level" the "lowest level," is degrading and abusive.
And lets not forget how that uniform got on her: she was physically forced to put that uniform on by other adolescent detainees or staff, or threatened with being physically forcefully stripped and re-clothed or with other torture.
--- Quote from: "guest" --- Now, is NASA an organization devoted to holding people prisoner without due process on the rationale that they're bad i.e. "manipulative," "entitled," "disobedient"?
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--- Quote from: "neilw" ---No they are not and either do programs. The kids are not prisoners. The places are more like NASA then any prison"?
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Are you so absurd as to assert that WWASP and ASPEN does not hold kids prisoner without due process or habeas corpus?
http://74.125.93.104/search?q=cache:Q-P ... clnk&gl=us
--- Quote from: "guest" --- Also, do you think when a civilian sees a haggard, distraught teenager in an orange jump suit they are more likely to think that the kid is an astronaut, or some kind of runaway prisoner
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--- Quote from: "NeilW" --- It makes them stand out. If the kids all wore blue pants and yellow shirts the locals would identify them just as easily if they ran away.
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A kid who ran away wearing blue pants and yellow shirts would be assumed to be a poorly dressed kid. A kid in an orange jumpsuit would be assumed to be a runaway from some sort of official institution, most likely a prison.
http://www.witnesstorture.org/jumpsuit
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--- Quote --- And Still refusing to answer what your connection to these guags is, you child torturing bitch? Child torturer and a coward--nice combo
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So you feel everyone who works to help kids and find better ways to make their lives better is a torturer. You judge programs by the color of their clothes. Just because it didn’t work out for you doesn’t mean it doesn’t for others. Sorry you cant see beyond the colors
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So which orgainization do you work for? let's see if your program stand up to scrutiny. Truth be told, you sound an awful lot like thewho, to me.
FemanonFatal2.0:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Also, do you think when a civilian sees a haggard, distraught teenager in an orange jump suit they are more likely to think that the kid is an astronaut, or some kind of runaway prisoner?
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Agreed, and this is of course the intention of the facility, not only to prevent successful runaways but also to psychologically imprison these kids. Make them feel hopeless, worthless and terrorize them to the point they wouldn't have the will to escape.
It's sad how this system is based on a philosophy that only intends to use fear and misery as force to comply to an abusive system. I'm actually surprised that it even works.... but I guess you can't underestimate the power of thought reform, regardless of the tactics used.
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