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Re: Jews continue GENOCIDE of Palestinians
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2009, 09:08:40 PM »
So jews were repatriated into Palestine,ok then instead of trying to have some sort of inclusion of their cousins,(Read the Bible) the two big genius groups just keep on fucking with each other.And the poor victimized Isreali people,start the Warsaw Ghetto V2.0,also known as the gaza strip.Talk about history repeating itself.Hmmmm lets wall up the arabs,yeah thats the ticket! then the palestinians start fucking with the jews,and so on and so forth.......and somebody wants me to feel sorry for either one?  Seems like the promised land is pretty full of shit to me.Headed right straight to oblivion and they will have done it to themselves,both sides equally guilty............
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2009, 12:21:55 PM »
The whole idea of having a state for one religion boggles the mind. Having grown up in American culture with our ideas of equality and freedom, their system of governance and zionist philosophy strikes me as regression. It's like they are acting out manifest destiny, and putting the Indian's on the reservation all over again. There is one obvious solution to the problem. That is to make "Palestine" a secular, inclusive state and adopt freedom of religion and take on America's model of statehood. But that won't happen. The jews want the country all to themselves. They print articles in their papers about the "demographic problem", meaning the arabs are breeding faster than they are and they are worried. They don't want to become a minority, because they are afraid the arabs will kill them all. But look at the blacks in the US, they are a minority, always will be, but they aren't afraid of a genocide against them by white people. As it is, the arabs and jews will continue to kill each other. They claim God is on their side, but it's pretty obvious God has abandoned them. What a horrible mistake Israel was. Way to make the world hate you all over again, Jews, you seem to be quite good at that.
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Re: Jews continue GENOCIDE of Palestinians
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2009, 12:40:50 PM »
It is not just religion or race but a fundamental difference in philosophies also.  Some people just cant accept each others life style or ideals with very little common ground.  No matter how many peace treaties are drawn up and agreed to you couldn’t have a fornits regular and an edcon sharing an apartment in peace.  After living together for a short time they would be back at it again.  I really dont see a long term solution for our lifetime.
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2009, 08:02:37 PM »
Israeli forces shell UN office in Gaza
By IBRAHIM BARZAK and CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA, Associated Press Writers   – 56 mins ago


A Palestinian firefighter talks on a radio as they try to put out a fire at the United Nations headquarters after it was hit in Israeli bombardment in Gaza City, Thursday, Jan. 15, 2009. Israeli forces shelled the United Nations headquarters in the Gaza Strip on Thursday, setting the compound on fire as U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon was in the area on a mission to end Israel's devastating offensive against the territory's Hamas rulers. Ban expressed 'outrage' over the incident.
(AP Photo/Ashraf Amra)


GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Israeli artillery shells struck the U.N. headquarters in the Gaza Strip on Thursday, setting a food warehouse ablaze and drawing a sharp rebuke from the visiting U.N. chief who called it an "outrage." Another Israeli bombardment killed Hamas' head of security.

The attack added to a day of deadly chaos pitting Israeli troops against Islamic militants. Terrified residents huddled in shelters and stairwells, or scooped up toddlers and fled on foot.

After nightfall, shells landed near Gaza City's Quds Hospital, where many families had sought refuge, and the building caught fire, forcing staff to evacuate hundreds of people. According to a hospital medic, some patients were pushed down the street on gurneys; a few held white flags.

The destruction added to what aid groups say is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza and ratcheted up tensions between Israel and the international community even as diplomats indicated progress in cease-fire talks.

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni was departing Thursday night for Washington to discuss a Gaza cease-fire with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. The United States and Egypt have been working to forge an agreement to end 20 days of bitter fighting.

The U.N. compound, made up of workshops and warehouses as well as offices, was struck about a half-dozen times over a roughly two-hour period while more than 700 civilians were sheltering there, said John Ging, head of Gaza operations for the U.N. Relief and Works Agency.

The civilians were huddling in the compound's vocational training center when it was struck by a tank round or an artillery shell, causing the three injuries, Ging said. Throughout this time, he said, U.N. officials were frantically contacting Israeli officials to urge an end to the firing on the U.N. compound.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Hamas militants opened fire from the U.N. compound. "It is absolutely true that we were attacked from that place, but the consequences are very sad and we apologize for it," he said. The military said it was still investigating.

The attack triggered a raging fire that engulfed a warehouse and destroyed thousands of pounds of food and other aid intended for Gaza's beleaguered citizens. Workers with fire extinguishers and Palestinian firefighters, some wearing bulletproof jackets, struggled to douse flames and tugged bags of flour from the debris.

Fuel supplies and cars in a garage also went up in flames.

Ging said the contacts with Israeli officials were made under a new liaison system aimed at preventing any attack similar to the shelling at a U.N. school in northern Gaza earlier this month that killed about 40 people. At the time, Israel said militants had fired on army positions from the area.

An Israeli airstrike killed Interior Minister Said Siam, a key figure in Hamas who oversaw thousands of security agents, Hamas TV said. A top aide, Siam's brother and his brother's family also were killed.

"We are talking about a key person in terms of logistics in the field, and also in the political sense," said Bassem Zbeidy, a Hamas expert in the West Bank.

He said Siam's death was a "huge loss for Hamas," but noted that the movement is easily capable of generating new leaders, often more radical than their predecessors.

Israel's intense assaults Thursday seemed to reflect an extra push to pressure Hamas negotiators into making concessions on a cease-fire and punish the militant group as much as possible before any end to hostilities.

Israeli envoy Amos Gilad was ordered to return to Cairo Friday for more truce talks. On Thursday he discussed a cease-fire proposal three with Egyptian officials, who are also trying to coax Hamas into ending the war. After meeting with Olmert and others on his return, it was decided to send Gilad back, Olmert's office said.

Israel launched the offensive Dec. 27 to end Hamas rocket attacks on Israel. Gaza medics say about 1,100 Palestinians, half of them civilians, have died; 13 Israelis have also been killed.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, visiting Israel, said Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak told him the attack on the U.N. compound was a "grave" error and apologized for it.

"I conveyed my strong protest and outrage to the defense minister and foreign minister and demanded a full explanation," said Ban, who arrived Thursday from Egypt.

Israel's chief military spokesman, Brig. Gen. Avi Benayahu, said the military had not clarified the incident and that an investigation was under way.

"If it becomes clear that we returned shots at the source of fire, we will say so, and if it turns out we operated by mistake, we will not hesitate to confess," Benayahu told Israeli television.

Ging described the Israeli claim as "total nonsense" and "typical misinformation."

He said his staff in Tel Aviv was told by the Israeli liaison office "that there were no militants in the compound. There were militants operating ... in the area, but no militants or any firing from our compound. That's the official position of the Israeli authorities that deal with us. It happens, to my knowledge here, to be representative of the facts."

U.N. officials said hundreds of people sheltering in the compound were forced to flee, and that the Israeli shells contained white phosphorus, an incendiary agent that can cause horrific injuries. After the shelling, fire spread to nearby fuel tankers in the compound, triggering another massive blast.

The U.N. compound distributes food aid to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in the tiny seaside territory of 1.4 million people.

Ging said the U.N. had warned the Israeli military that the compound was in peril from shelling that had begun overnight. U.N. officials say they have provided Israel with GPS coordinates of all U.N. installations in Gaza to prevent such attacks.

The U.N. Security Council expressed "grave concern" and requested a briefing from U.N. officials.

"We are calling all parties to respect international humanitarian law and especially to ensure the protection of civilians," said Jean-Maurice Ripert, France's U.N. ambassador.

An artillery shell hit the Quds Hospital pharmacy, and another shell landed on its front steps early in the day. It caught fire after nightfall, forcing the evacuation.

"There's gunfire, and warplanes above us," medic Abdul Aziz Aishe said by cell phone as he and a group of people fled. Ambulances ferried them to another hospital.

Dr. Moaiya Hassanain, a Gaza health official, said at least 70 people were killed or died of wounds throughout Gaza on Thursday.

Israeli shells also hit five high-rise apartment buildings and a building housing media outlets in Gaza City, injuring several journalists.

Bullets hit a building housing offices of The Associated Press, entering a room where two staffers were working but wounding no one. The Foreign Press Association, representing journalists covering Israel and the Palestinian territories, demanded a halt to attacks on press buildings.

The army had collected the locations of media organizations at the outset of fighting to avoid such attacks.

Gaza City resident Sami Helu, 34, was evacuated by the international Red Cross after he, his wife and 8-year-old daughter sheltered from withering fire around their apartment in the Tel Hawwa neighborhood. During the escape, he saw cars and buildings gutted by fire, bomb craters, speeding ambulances and fallen electricity poles.

"I saw suitcases abandoned, I think from people fleeing the area," Helu said. "There was a car still running, there was some money inside."

Israeli police said 20 rockets hit southern Israel, injuring 10 people. Five of the wounded were in a car in the city of Beersheba.

Olmert's office said Rice telephoned him, and he told her Israel hoped Egyptian mediators could help bring about a cease-fire and an end to weapons smuggling. The statement said Rice, who leaves office Tuesday, told Olmert that the U.S. was willing to help resolve the smuggling issue.

The Bush administration was racing in its final days to negotiate a deal on American support for mediation efforts under which the U.S. would give technical support and expertise to prevent Hamas from rearming, said U.S. and Israeli diplomats.

The diplomats spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the talks.

Israel wants a total end to Hamas' rocket launches into Israel and an arms embargo on Gaza's militant rulers. Hamas has demanded an immediate Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and the opening of blockaded border crossings.

"These are our demands and we don't accept any political movement that does not accept them," the movement's top political leader, Khaled Mashaal, said in a televised address from his headquarters in Damascus, Syria.

Ban said Israel was preparing to decide soon on whether to accept a cease-fire.

"I hope that decision will be the right one," he said after meeting Israeli President Shimon Peres.

In addition to the attack on the U.N. office, Israel shells landed next to a U.N. school in another Gaza City neighborhood, wounding 14 people who had sought sanctuary there, medics and firefighters said.

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Barzak reported from Gaza City; Torchia from Jerusalem. Associated Press writers Diaa Hadid, Karin Laub and Ian Deitch in Jerusalem, and Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations contributed to this report.
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Re: Jews continue GENOCIDE of Palestinians
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2009, 08:16:10 PM »
I cant believe Hamas allows this to continue.  The palistinian people will probably think twice before voting in another terrorist group to run their country.  hiding behind woman and children, putting caches in schools and mosques.  Totally nuts.  They shouold clear out the whole Gaza strip and transfer all of them to the west bank where they have support and can fend for themselves.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2009, 11:09:29 AM »
Why is it you never see peace marches in the streets?  Its always death, destruction and hatred marches.  I think that is why they voted in a terrorist group to represent them, because they dont want peace.
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Re: Jews continue GENOCIDE of Palestinians
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2009, 11:13:38 AM »
Serious question here.  Why is the US so beholden to Israel?  I mean, the official reason.  Not necessarily the true one, but what is it that 'they' (we) tell others (or ourselves) as to why?
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2009, 12:01:40 PM »
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Serious question here.  Why is the US so beholden to Israel?  I mean, the official reason.  Not necessarily the true one, but what is it that 'they' (we) tell others (or ourselves) as to why?

What we tell other people: is that we are committed to Israel survival as a Jewish state.  
(Even though they are now superior to most of their neighbors militarily they are still the underdog because everyone (Arabs mostly) want to see them wiped of the earth.  Without US support they would eventually be wiped out financially and physically.)

The real reason: U.S. foreign policy is motivated primarily (and always has been) to advance its own perceived strategic interests.  With Israel as an ally we have a strong presence in the area in case we need to take someone out quickly like Iran.  We never do anything because we are Mr. Nice guy, never have.

Hope that helps
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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2009, 12:23:26 PM »
More on the real reason... By supporting chaos in the region, the U.S. keeps the situation ripe for potential exploitation at any time. See The Shock Doctrine.
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2009, 12:23:45 PM »
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What we tell other people: is that we are committed to Israel survival as a Jewish state.  
(Even though they are now superior to most of their neighbors militarily they are still the underdog because everyone (Arabs mostly) want to see them wiped of the earth.  Without US support they would eventually be wiped out financially and physically.)

But why?  Why is it our responsibility or concern?  Especially given your parenthetical.

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The real reason: U.S. foreign policy is motivated primarily (and always has been) to advance its own perceived strategic interests.  With Israel as an ally we have a strong presence in the area in case we need to take someone out quickly like Iran.  We never do anything because we are Mr. Nice guy, never have.

Hope that helps

Yeah, I get that......I was just wondering what it is we tell others (ourselves) to justify it.

Thanks  :seg2:
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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2009, 01:09:27 PM »
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But why?  Why is it our responsibility or concern?  Especially given your parenthetical.
Because they are one of our allies and it is our duty.  Palestine is not an ally.

Ultimately, there is no contradiction between support for Israel and support for Palestine, for Israeli security and Palestinian rights are not mutually exclusive but mutually dependent on each other.  I think after Obama takes office there will be a big push to change US policy regarding Israel.  The US constantly undermines any grass root peace efforts on the streets of Israel and this will not be tolerated in the next administration.  I also think (hoping) that Obama will change to a “Tough Love” approach to the problem and provide unconditional support for Israel's right to live in peace and security within its internationally recognized border, but an equally clear determination to end the occupation.
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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2009, 01:20:51 PM »
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But why?  Why is it our responsibility or concern?  Especially given your parenthetical.
Because they are one of our allies and it is our duty.  Palestine is not an ally.

Ultimately, there is no contradiction between support for Israel and support for Palestine, for Israeli security and Palestinian rights are not mutually exclusive but mutually dependent on each other.  I think after Obama takes office there will be a big push to change US policy regarding Israel.  The US constantly undermines any grass root peace efforts on the streets of Israel and this will not be tolerated in the next administration.  I also think (hoping) that Obama will change to a “Tough Love” approach to the problem and provide unconditional support for Israel's right to live in peace and security within its internationally recognized border, but an equally clear determination to end the occupation.

I doubt very much that Obama will be able to push that through. The "shadows" behind so called U.S. government are far more interested in preserving controlled chaos. That whole region is ripe for the mining as far as they are concerned. The Palestinians are the most expendable population at this point, and have been for some time.
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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2009, 01:41:15 PM »
If that were true, then why is the US talking about withholding a billion dollars in loan guarantees over the settlement issue? Just for show in the twilight hour?
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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2009, 02:25:46 PM »
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But why?  Why is it our responsibility or concern?  Especially given your parenthetical.
Because they are one of our allies and it is our duty.  Palestine is not an ally.

Ultimately, there is no contradiction between support for Israel and support for Palestine, for Israeli security and Palestinian rights are not mutually exclusive but mutually dependent on each other.  I think after Obama takes office there will be a big push to change US policy regarding Israel.  The US constantly undermines any grass root peace efforts on the streets of Israel and this will not be tolerated in the next administration.  I also think (hoping) that Obama will change to a “Tough Love” approach to the problem and provide unconditional support for Israel's right to live in peace and security within its internationally recognized border, but an equally clear determination to end the occupation.


But what about all the UN resolutions that Israel has refused to abide by?   I mean afterall we invaded Iraq, at least in part, because Saddam wouldn't comply with them.  Here's what I found with just a quick Google search.   A few stand out.






And this only includes those passed by the Security Council, not the many vetoed by the U.S.:
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UN Security Council Resolutions that Israel didn’t comply with:

SC Res. 237 (June 14, 1967): return of Palestinian inhabitants who fled from their homes.

SC Res. 242 (Nov. 22, 1967): "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" and
"withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in the conflict…"

SC Res. 252 (May 21, 1968): rescind measures changing legal status of Jerusalem and to end
its expropriation of land and properties.


SC Res. 267 (July 3, 1969): rescind measures changing legal status of Jerusalem.

SC Res. 271 (Sept. 15, 1969): rescind measures on Jerusalem and observe provisions of
Geneva Conventions and international law governing military occupation.


SC Res. 298 (Sept. 25, 1971): rescind measures on Jerusalem that "change the status quo of
the City."

SC Res. 338 (Oct. 22, 1973): implement SC resolution 242 (1967) "in all its parts."

SC Res. 368 (April 17, 1975): Israel must implement 242/338.

SC Res. 369 (May 28, 1974): implement 242/338.

SC Res. 371 (July 24, 1975): implement 242/338.

SC Res. 378 (Oct. 23, 1975): implement 242/338.

SC Res. 390 (May 28, 1976): implement 242/338

SC Res. 396 (Oct. 22, 1976): implement 242/338.

SC Res. 398 (Nov. 30, 1976): implement 242/338.

SC Res. 420 (Nov. 30, 1977): implement 242/338.

SC Res. 446 (March 22, 1979): deplores failure of Israel to abide by 237 and 252; end
settlement activities in the occupied territories.(still)


SC Res. 452 (July 20, 1979): end settlement activities in occupied territories, including
Jerusalem.

SC Res. 462 (March 1, 1980): dismantle existing settlements.

SC Res. 468 (May 8, 1980): stop expulsions

SC Res. 469 (May 20, 1980): stop expulsions


SC Res. 471 (June 5, 1980): comply with Geneva Conventions; protect Palestinians;
occupation must end.

SC Res. 476 (June 30, 1980): comply with Geneva Conventions; occupation must end.


SC Res. 478 (Aug. 20, 1980): declares new basic law for Jerusalem null and void.

SC Res. 484 (Dec. 19, 1980): let the expelled return.

SC Res. 592 (Dec. 8, 1986): comply with Geneva Conventions.

SC Res. 607 (Jan. 5, 1988): protect Palestinians.

SC Res. 608 (Jan. 14, 1988): no expulsions.

SC Res. 636 (July 6, 1989): no expulsions.

SC Res. 641 (Aug. 30, 1989): no expulsions.

SC Res 672 (Oct. 12, 1990): deplores massacre, sending UN mission.

SC Res 673 (Oct. 24, 1990): sending UN Mission.

SC Res. 681 (Dec. 20, 1990): deplores expulsions.

SC Res. 694 (May 24, 1991): no expulsions.

SC Res. 726 (Jan. 6, 1992: comply with Geneva Conventions. No expulsions.


SC Res. 799 (Dec. 18, 1992): no expulsions.

SC Res. 904 (March 18, 1994): protect Palestinians.

SC Res. 1073 (Sept. 28, 1996): protect Palestinians.

SC Res. 1081 (Nov. 27, 1996): implement 242/338.

SC 1265 (Sept. 17, 1999): implement Hague Conventions and Geneva Conventions.

SC Res. 1322 (Oct. 7, 2000): condemns excessive force; comply with Geneva Conventions.


SC Res. 1397 (March 12, 2002): calls for two-state solution.

SC Res. 1402 (March 30, 2002): withdraw from Palestinian cities.

SC Res. 1403 (April 4, 2002): implement 1402.

SC Res. 1405 (April 19, 2002): lift restrictions on Jenin; send fact-finding team.

SC Res. 1435 (Sept. 24 2002): cease the destruction of the Palestinian civilian and security
infrastructure in Ramallah and withdraw from Palestinian cities.
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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2009, 02:50:33 PM »
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But what about all the UN resolutions that Israel has refused to abide by? I mean afterall we invaded Iraq, at least in part, because Saddam wouldn't comply with them.
The U.N.? Shit, the U.N. is incapable of anything. Those people love living in the City because most of their home countries are shit holes. The U.N. is bumbling, corrupt, incapable of anything worthwhile. Rwanda. Kosovo is still a mess and Clark, Clinton and Albright should be tried as war criminals. What will U.N. backing do? Have you heard about Christian churches being torched in the former Yugoslavia by Muslims? Wait, the U.N. was there, but the U.N. troops ran away, now you have a big mess. Where is the outcry over that? Probably none becuase the U.N. loves dead Christians. Kick the U.N. the fuck out of New York, get some taxes from that property for the City coffers, that would be something worthwhile, the U.N. is a joke and people like Hussein know/knew it. How many U.N. resolutions did Saddam blow off?
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