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Whooter:
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This brings back an old conversation. The counselor may have been aggravating the ‘client’ (in this doc.) but doing it appropriately according to the program. How do we evaluate fault? Everyone is going to defend themselves under certain personal circumstances. In evaluating fault, root cause, and who is defending from who, don’t we need complete transparency from programs as to their process?
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Interesting point. If the staff were trained by the program to aggravate the kid into punching him in the face then I would see this as a program problem and fault the program for this incident. There were 3 staff involved and the one who punched the kid back was not properly trained (or his training had lapsed) so it may have been a training issue in which case it would be the fault of the staff for getting involved. Thirdly it could have just been personal and unprofessional in which case it was not a reflection of the program and they need to deal with the individual.
But I see your point awake that it could have been "program abuse" if the staff had been trained to initiate that particular response.. Interesting. But then we could not fault the staff member.
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Awake:
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This brings back an old conversation. The counselor may have been aggravating the ‘client’ (in this doc.) but doing it appropriately according to the program. How do we evaluate fault? Everyone is going to defend themselves under certain personal circumstances. In evaluating fault, root cause, and who is defending from who, don’t we need complete transparency from programs as to their process?
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Interesting point. If the staff were trained by the program to aggravate the kid into punching him in the face then I would see this as a program problem and fault the program for this incident. There were 3 staff involved and the one who punched the kid back was not properly trained (or his training had lapsed) so it may have been a training issue in which case it would be the fault of the staff for getting involved. Thirdly it could have just been personal and unprofessional in which case it was not a reflection of the program and they need to deal with the individual.
But I see your point awake that it could have been "program abuse" if the staff had been trained to initiate that particular response.. Interesting. But then we could not fault the staff member.
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Lol. Well I don’t think many program are trying to get the kids to punch their staff in the face, if that’s what you’re thinking,……. however I doubt any program expects the child not to want to. The level of aggrevation is subjective and dependent on unique circumstances. What would it take to get you aggravated enough to punch someone? , and doesn’t this matter when considering fault?
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---...after my first pass I see basically paperwork issues, not enough fire drills, using the wrong process to document background checks, exceeding restraint time limits, kid punched out a staff member causing a fight etc. Looks like the inspection team went over that place with a fine toothed comb but didn’t find anything that warranted action against them accept a response and follow-up.
So overall the program seemed to be in full compliance with no gaping holes with the exception of a staff member who participated in a restraint who had not had up to date training, lost his cool, which resulted in one of the kids getting a bloody mouth. It seemed to be concluded that the program needs to rewrite their policy of removing the kids shoes and replacing it with another which will be equally effective in keeping kids from running.
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Mmm. I don't think so. From V 512 · 27D .0304 Client Rights - Harm, Abuse, Neglect:
This deficiency constitutes a Type B rule violation. An administrative penalty of $200.00 is per day will be imposed for failure to correct within 45 days.[/list]
Pile of Dead Kids:
Two hundred dollars a day?
That isn't shit.
What good is regulation if the regulators have no teeth?
And, apparently, it's okay for any facility found to be harming, neglecting, and abusing its "clients" to do absolutely nothing about it for almost a month and a half and pay absolutely nothing. Who writes these things?
Troll Control:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Given that there were two other staff who witnessed — and to some degree participated — in this assault, it would have been sheer folly to pretend that it never happened.
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Exactly, that’s why there is so much emphasis placed on documenting each event no matter how small.
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Not really. From the standpoint of a staff member covering their ass, if there are no witnesses, why not report it in a way that minimizes their fault, if at all?
In fact, that is exactly what happened. The Facilities Manager claimed the kid injured himself whilst trying to bite him. Pity for the Facilities Manager that ... the other two staff members didn't quite see it that way. They witnessed the Facilities Manager punching the kid in the mouth, with the kid getting a bloody lip as a result of that punch.
As to "documenting each event no matter how small," we do not know that, nor can infer it from how staff behaved, and documented or didn't document, in this particular incident. If anything, we can infer that the Facilities Manager may be prone to covering his ass at the expense of the truth.
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Exactly, Ursus. This staff member - the Kid Puncher - lied about the incident in his report which was contradicted by other staff in their reports. This happens all the time to these kids. They are set up from the beginning as being "not credible" and anytime a staff abuses them and gets caught, they take the "blame the kid" approach. Why? Because it works.
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