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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Joel" ---Is Whooter doing damage control again? :roflmao:
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Joel, I responded to your post with good intentions. Instead of joining the conversation you decide to just make fun of people? Why do you do that?
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---If you read through the various steps you will see that the kid was out of control and attacked the staff person and punched him in the mouth and the staff lost his cool and responded by punching him back.
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I did not get the impression that the kid was out of control. Sure, he may have been a handful, but nothing that a "professional" couldn't handle, eh?
The impression that *I* got was that he was initially uncooperative and refused to do the task that he was supposed to do, and that staff escalated the situation by insisting on cooperation, rather than deescalating it or leaving it be.
From the kid's POV, he may have even felt goaded into this altercation. *I* probably would have.
Froderik:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---If you read through the various steps you will see that the kid was out of control and attacked the staff person and punched him in the mouth and the staff lost his cool and responded by punching him back.
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Not so cool of him, eh?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---If you read through the various steps you will see that the kid was out of control and attacked the staff person and punched him in the mouth and the staff lost his cool and responded by punching him back.
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I did not get the impression that the kid was out of control. Sure, he may have been a handful, but nothing that a "professional" couldn't handle, eh?
The impression that *I* got was that he was initially uncooperative and refused to do the task that he was supposed to do, and that staff escalated the situation by insisting on cooperation, rather than deescalating it or leaving it be.
From the kid's POV, he may have even felt goaded into this altercation. *I* would have.
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I read it a little differently. The kid was out of control and started hitting the staff (punched one in the face) and one of the lead staff lost his cool and punched him back. Neither one of us was there so it is a difficult discussion. We need to yield to the people who conducted the interviews on the three involved. From the report it didnt seem like they needed to take it further and were satisfied with the way it was reported.
I am sure each person may read it differently. Maybe the staff did escalate it which would be an indication that more training is needed. It was noted that the lead staff had not been current with his training and should not have been involved. So it appears to be a training issue on the surface.
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Awake:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---If you read through the various steps you will see that the kid was out of control and attacked the staff person and punched him in the mouth and the staff lost his cool and responded by punching him back.
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I did not get the impression that the kid was out of control. Sure, he may have been a handful, but nothing that a "professional" couldn't handle, eh?
The impression that *I* got was that he was initially uncooperative and refused to do the task that he was supposed to do, and that staff escalated the situation by insisting on cooperation, rather than deescalating it or leaving it be.
From the kid's POV, he may have even felt goaded into this altercation. *I* would have.
--- End quote ---
I read it a little differently. The kid was out of control and started hitting the staff (punched one in the face) and one of the lead staff lost his cool and punched him back. Neither one of us was there so it is a difficult discussion. We need to yield to the people who conducted the interviews on the three involved. From the report it didnt seem like they needed to take it further and were satisfied with the way it was reported.
I am sure each person may read it differently. Maybe the staff did escalate it which would be an indication that more training is needed. It was noted that the lead staff had not been current with his training and should not have been involved. So it appears to be a training issue on the surface.
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This brings back an old conversation. The counselor may have been aggravating the ‘client’ (in this doc.) but doing it appropriately according to the program. How do we evaluate fault? Everyone is going to defend themselves under certain personal circumstances. In evaluating fault, root cause, and who is defending from who, don’t we need complete transparency from programs as to their process?
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