Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Daytop Village
DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "HONESTY" ---it appears you have not gotten the help you need.
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Define "help you need", or for that matter, why don't you define "recovery"? This is not a stupid request. Answer the question and you'll see where i'm going.
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I have already given you my definition. My refernce to "Help you Need" is for Mr. B (Sekto) obvious unreolved guilt he has for his treatment of others and his ongoing desire to blame others for his actions. If you want to show me where you are going feel free to do so.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "SEKTO" ---Monsignor O'Brien and the DAYTOP organization have made this person "Honesty" feel good about him or her-self, probably for the first time in his/her life, and "Honesty" wants to do everything he/she can to make sure that nothing further happens to expose DAYTOP and hurt the credibility of the man (O'Brien) and group (DAYTOP) that have given this person his/her new-found improved self-image.
"Honesty's" is a very typical position in most cult groups. People outside of the group are viewed either as potential members or potential enemies of the group. They are not usually considered appropriate for friendships-whether close or casual. They are not seen as adequate individuals in and of themselves.
All cults and abusive organizations view themselves as engaged in some all-important work, whether it is to convert lost souls, spread "The Truth," improve the well-being of members, get people off of drugs, or simply raise money. Nothing can be permitted to interfere with this all-important mission.
"Honesty's" is a classic expression of the "end justifies the means" argument. This is a terrible concept under the best of circumstances, as it permits deception and other unethical behavior in the pursuit of "good" goals. It is especially heinous when followed in the name of helping people.
"Honesty" (and all of the DAYTOPians for that matter) needs to learn that his/her importance and worth as a person does not depend on any role or function that he/she fills in a group-his/her value (and that of all people) rests in the fact that he/she is a human being. One is not more valuable because one possesses a high IQ, has many possessions, lives in a three-story mansion, or has been sober for twenty years.
After all, it is DAYTOP that makes "Honesty" feel so good about him or her-self-so self-confident and worthwhile, probably for the first time in his/her life. He/she may believe that he has no options outside of the group, and that is not a happy prospect for him/her.
So rather than receive the message, he/she attacks the messenger (in this case, myself) through use of the ad hominem attack.
Again, a very typical reaction for someone in an abusive and controlling group. After a certain point it seems that they are unable to refute the logical, objective arguments put to them and so he/she does what people often do in such a situation: they attack DAYTOP's critics personally. If one party to a dispute can discredit the other party in some way, then it is easier to to discredit that person's arguments. This is what the DAYTOPian trolls engage in time after time, argument for the sake of argument, and it is quite a pedantic and tiresome tactic.
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Bla,bla,bla, You like many others have continued to try and slander Dyatop becuase it didn't help you. Daytop has never said they can or would be for everyone. I am not an employee of Daytop and and I'm not saying that some staff or counselors at Dyatop sucked. This is true and likely you had to deal with some. But this does not mean that the program or everyone associated with it is this way. You attacked people who are dead and some who are not. Just beacuse you had a poor experience does not mean the program was bad. Perhaps you were not and appear not to be ready to come to terms with your own shit. So don't accuse me of things I'm not and don't blame others for your obvious failure at treatment. Did you ever think that maybe just maybe you were the one who was wrong.
Anonymous:
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TheWho
SEKTO:
Telling me, Honesty, that what happened to me in DAYTOP is somehow my fault, that I somehow deserved that kind of mistreatment, is like telling a woman who was raped that it is her fault and that she should not have dressed like a slut to begin with.
Mike Gomez not deserve that. Billy C. did not deserve that. I did not deserve that. Nobody deserves that.
I did not "fail" in my treatment, DAYTOP failed us.
You are blaming the victims (a form of the ad hominem attack) and insulting our intelligence and integrity.
So please do me (us) a favor, Honesty.
Before you pop off with another self-justifying response on this board, why don't you take a little time to think about this.
If you are honest with yourself I think you will see that you do not have anything here to take a stand about.
You are very much in the wrong here.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "SEKTO" ---Telling me, Honesty, that what happened to me in DAYTOP is somehow my fault, that I somehow deserved that kind of mistreatment, is like telling a woman who was raped that it is her fault and that she should not have dressed like a slut to begin with.
Mike Gomez not deserve that. Billy C. did not deserve that. I did not deserve that. Nobody deserves that.
I did not "fail" in my treatment, DAYTOP failed us.
You are blaming the victims (a form of the ad hominem attack) and insulting our intelligence and integrity.
So please do me (us) a favor, Honesty.
Before you pop off with another self-justifying response on this board, why don't you take a little time to think about this.
If you are honest with yourself I think you will see that you do not have anything here to take a stand about.
You are very much in the wrong here.
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I'm not wrong and you know it. You slander people who had nothing to do with your issue. The person or people you claim hurt you have not. You had the oppertunity to leave the progrm at any time. You made a choice and you have to live with it. Daytop never made you do anything, you chose to. So don't blame others for you poor choicese, blame yourself.
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