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DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
Anonymous:
Your words brought tears to my eyes. I am not one who often cries. I am currently in 2x weekly sessions with a Psychologist who inadvertantly triggered a cascade of memories and rage in me...by simply using vernacular I remember from Daytop. He had at some point worked within a similar program. I made my disgust about that known.
I was one of the first 7 "family members" of DayTop Richardson TX. In that "common ground", I was trained and encouraged to be hostile and confrontational. My recollection of encounter groups are as of being a prized conteder in the verbally abusive equivalent of a cock fighting ring. I was a 13 yr. old girl. I know that I quickly assimilated in to a scary little bitch who would "drop slips" on even counselors (Yes, even Marcy. I wonder if the Marcia written of had a scar on her right cheek. Same cheeky bitch?). I was searching for that "refuge" we all intoned about together, each morning meeting. I became trained to cut my peers to the quick and was rewarded with promotions for adapting so well. I am sorry to all who have ever encountered me in an encounter group or "hair cut" (more like a scalping). My experience of that place would have been far less damaging if someone any one of them had allowed me to be a kid or at least reminded me that I was.
I was 14 when I was sent "upstate" to NewYork for residential treatment, after the police found me stoned at a male counselor's apartment. Granted, he held only a marginal role of being an "atheletics counselor" and was of course to the "others"(promoted from within) an outsider. No charges were filed against the "counselor" for having provided me with drugs or for harboring a runaway. One officer did ask if "anything had happened". I answered truthfully, "no". While sexual contact had not occured by the time of my being "located there", it had seemed to me inevitable. By that I mean unavoidable, as choice was not a consideration in that role. Following this, I was treated to my 15TH birthday in Millbrook, NY. In the RTC environment I was "that one" the girl with the dubious distinction of being the problem child that had been swept their way. I am aware that that which made me vulnerable to that particular pervert pre-dated my arrival at DayTop. That did not make the hypocracy of having been sent to RTC, and harshly discouraged from speaking honestly of the circumstances that brought me to RTC any less harmful. I became sucidol while in NY.
I'm startled by how vivid my anger for these thing is.
Magnificent:
I'm not sure who B is and by his ramblings I have no doubt that he has been traumatized but he has more then a few facts wrong. I'll begin by saying that yes many mistakes have been made in the treatment field and Daytop is one among many. To clear up some of the fiction that B has been going on about.
1. Daytop, Texas closed in 2000 and it was a choice made in NY because of the manage care company that had taken over funding of the Dallas programs. This can easily be checked with the state, who still holds Daytop in high esteem. Daytop, Texas was a small operation so after salaries and overhead there would have been little to, "embezzle".
2. Daytop is not a religious organization and has not ever nor is run by the mob.
3. "Marcia", as you have chosen to call her, and it's a good thing because, can you say slander. Your story about Mike is a complete fabrication and "Marcia" left Daytop of her own accord for a better opportunity and just an fyi, she is doing very well today, gainfully employed, and very happy.
4. You may not know of any successes that came from Daytop but that would be because you were not immediately successful and you are one angry mixed up person. By the way the person who told me of this blog is a success story.
Again, I have no doubt that you did not have a good experience and I agree that much was lacking, "back in the day", but there are TC's all over this country, including Daytop, that do a good job. The field has become more regulated and, at least in Texas, you can not work as a counselor in a substance abuse program without a credential.
You need to check your comments and keep them in perspective. "All", of the friends that you made at Daytop who were not successful are not, "ALL", of the people who have walked through the doors of Daytop. There are many out there who's lives are better and they are better for their experience at Daytop. It's sad for you that you decided to seek out the stuggling addict rather than the addict who was able to achieve sobriety one day at a time.
Magnificent:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---
--- Quote from: "HONESTY" ---it appears you have not gotten the help you need.
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Define "help you need", or for that matter, why don't you define "recovery"? This is not a stupid request. Answer the question and you'll see where i'm going.
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Are you kidding me. You can stop your little game of how do you define this or that or whatever. Here are the facts Sekto or whatever is full of it. He has told so many lies it's comical. True, there probably were people who abused power at times but this guy is amazing. Are you his lawyer or is he able to take care of himself now that he's all grown up. Man I came on here because i was just told about this and wanted to check it out and I have to wonder if many of you are sitting at computers in some pysch ward playing. And, if people really want to have a discussion do more then making fun of a tpyo.
Magnificent:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Honesty" ---
I never said the person wasn't sober, I said they have failed in recovery. In order to recover you must come to terms with issues. As SEKTO has not.
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Yeah, we get it. Anyone who dares criticize your beloved program or program guru obviously hasn't "come to terms with their issues". Right.
::) ::) ::)
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I never thought that I'd be in the position of defending DAYTOP because, as I have said there were some issue there that I had a problem with, but this guy SEKTO is not telling the truth and even when he tells the truth is with major spin. I don't have an issue with people sharing their feelings and what issues they may have had with any program but I know about this program and he's feeding you all a lot of stories that I'm sure he believes but just aren't true. Honesty knows what he's talking about and SEKTO is spun his own memories which he believe to be true.
Magnificent:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---Were people really forced to walk around with pacifiers in their mouths?
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Thought I'd ask again since I didn't get an answer.
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To end this one, another fabrication. Maybe SETKO heard some stories from those who were graduates because they use to tell stories about the old days but pacifiers and all of that other crap never happened. His fantasy again. I'm not attempting to belittle his experience apparently it was not good but he needs to be truthful. Share your pain without telling lies I'm sure there's are many things that he can share that are true that can express his pain but this is sick.
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