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Not voting
« on: November 01, 2008, 02:49:33 PM »
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People that like to biatch about how "both candidates suck, it's douchebag vs turd sandwich" are the same type of people that like to brag about not having a TV and hate all music but their bootleg copy of an Eskimo tribe that creates music by hitting different sized seal bones. You aren't edgy, cool or more intelligent just like you weren't edgy, smart or cool when you were stealing your moms eyeliner in high school. Grow up.
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Re: Not voting
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2008, 05:48:07 PM »
I'd vote if I had any confidence at all in the integrity of the election process. I may do it anyway. Last time around, I wrote in Ron Paul just to be able to confirm the next day that the reported results were inaccurate. Around here, they print the totals for each little precinct. In mine they reported 0 votes for Ron Paul and 0 for any write ins or third party candidates.
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Re: Not voting
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2008, 07:54:24 AM »
I hear ya.  I just thought the comment was funny.
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Re: Not voting
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2008, 08:40:18 PM »
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I'd vote if I had any confidence at all in the integrity of the election process. I may do it anyway. Last time around, I wrote in Ron Paul just to be able to confirm the next day that the reported results were inaccurate. Around here, they print the totals for each little precinct. In mine they reported 0 votes for Ron Paul and 0 for any write ins or third party candidates.
"Politicians, ugly buildings and whores get respectable if they live long enough.
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Every 4 years we here the same nonsense. 'This is the most important election of our Lifetime.' It`s a crock but people still spew it
every 4 years anyway.

Obama will be our next President. It's been the norm in America that one political party will be in power for 8 years and then the
opposing political party comes into power. Nothing new under the Sun."
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Re: Not voting
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2008, 12:41:43 PM »
Security vulnerabilities in electronic voting machines threaten to skew results in the upcoming national election, says a Republican security expert. Stephen Spoonamore has come forward as a whistleblower willing to testify in an Ohio court case stemming from the 2004 Presidential elections.

Spoonamore, former CEO of Cybrinth, specialist in data management and remote electronic monitoring, and card-carrying member of the GOP, explains in a series of YouTube videos how Diebold e-voting machines can be hacked and manipulated to change vote tallies. The videos were posted by Velvet Revolution, an activist group with the aim of exposing voter fraud and returning to paper ballets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAyEfovA404

The voting machines, according to Spoonamore, communicate with central government systems in the same way mobile phones connect with each other. The machine sends a signal to a tower, is filtered through third-party, corporate-owned computers identifying both sender and receiver, and then the votes-which are anonymous and without any type of paper trail-are then forwarded to the government receiver.

The inherent problem is that third party wireless intercept of information. Spoonamore says without a doubt tabulations can be intercepted and changed before they are sent on to officials. More specifically, as was the case in Ohio in 2004, tabulations were funneled through servers in Chattanooga, TN, owned by SmarTech. Coincidentally, the Bush Administration has used these servers for sending and receiving email to avoid public scrutiny.

Spoonamore, who has helped develop security solutions for MasterCard, American Express, Bloomberg, Boeing, NBC, News Corp., the Dept. of Energy, the US Navy, and the Dept. of State, is on record, in a sworn affidavit, explaining how easily these voting machines can be hacked and manipulated.

In that affidavit, dated September 18, 2008, he mentions the involvement of Mike Connell, president of GovTech Solutions and New Media Communications, and a web designer and IT consultant for high-level Republicans. Connell was served with a subpoena on Sept. 22, compelling his testimony about vote-tampering in Ohio in 2004.

That case involves controversial strategist and Bush campaign advisor Karl Rove, who has also been subpoenaed. Why four years later? An Ohio judge finally lifted a stay that was on the case in an effort to avoid litigants' attempts to delay it until after the 2008 elections this November. Spoonamore's testimony was heralded as a catalyst for this event.

Spoonamore can't say Connell was directly involved with vote-tampering, but swears Connell knows who was. Until the subpoena, Connell has refused to testify. Most disturbing about Spoonamore's claims is that there is already a plan in play to swing the Presidential race to John McCain, who he claims will win by 3 electoral votes and 51% of the popular vote. If these claims were made someone less credible, it would be fodder for conspiracy theory.

Why haven't you heard about this all over the news? Good question and not one easily answered. In 2006, former ABC producer and investigative journalist Rebecca Abrahams resorted to a blog post to detail apparent voter fraud in 2004, because ABC lawyers killed the story in fear of lawsuits from Diebold.

Abrahams also posts an interview with a person she calls "Diebthroat," a temporary contractor who worked for Diebold. Diebthroat explains how shortly before a Georgia election in 2002, the president of Diebold instructed him to install a patch in voting machines in specific Georgia counties. Diebthroat said the patches were said to be for fixing the clocks, but the clocks on all machines continued to be broken after the installs. Diebthroat was surprised at the level of access Diebold employees had to the voting machines, before and during Election Day, and at the outcome of the election as traditionally Democrat counties went strongly for Republican candidates.

Diebthroat's story is remarkably similar to former Diebold contractor Chris Hood's, who claims Diebold president Bob Urosevitch himself performed maintenance on the machines. Hood also talks about, in this video posted by Velvet Revolution, being tasked to install broken clock patches on machines shortly before the elections. VR says the video was supposed to air on a major news network two weeks before the 2006 elections, but was pulled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKnIghBsU58

Sure enough, you won't find another major news outlet anywhere near this story. Searches for his name on Google News, Yahoo News, Ask, and MSN brought back only a handful of Internet sites few have ever heard of.

Spoonamore, whose says his love of American democracy outweighs his loyalty to the Republican party, complains Diebold's machines are not just vulnerable to Diebold employees, but also to foreign agents. Both Hood and Spoonamore say the flaws that existed in the machines before still exist. Hood goes so far as to say they were purposefully left in play.
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Re: Not voting
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2008, 03:28:39 PM »
I already via the mail ballot, which was a scan-tron type of sheet so luckily no computer confusion here. i was surprised how easy it was to get a mail ballot, and with the super long lines and computer irregularities, i think more people will be voting by mail in the future. it's hard to find an excuse not to vote when it's so easy. they even have a website that lets you go on and confirm that they received and accepted your ballot. There were way too many important ballot propositions to not vote this year, plus I felt it worth my time to keep that disaster of a campaign mcCain away from the big red button.. scary.  :seg2:
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Re: Not voting
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2008, 04:13:08 PM »
Quote from: "Wharbargggglllll"
People that like to biatch about how "both candidates suck, it's douchebag vs turd sandwich" are the same type of people that like to brag about not having a TV and hate all music but their bootleg copy of an Eskimo tribe that creates music by hitting different sized seal bones. You aren't edgy, cool or more intelligent just like you weren't edgy, smart or cool when you were stealing your moms eyeliner in high school. Grow up.
I dunno, I kinda like the 'butt-puglican vs. demo-crap' brand of skepticism...

What if you really don't like either candidate? I'd sooner write in "none of the above", Willie Nelson, or some cool 3rd party candidate before casting my vote for the "lesser of two evils." And no, I don't like TV all that much (although this is not always the case; i like to catch certain series on DVD now and then) and would probably not turn off the Eskimo music either, so consequentially, the quote doesn't contain much in the way of humor that I can see...

Additionally, I found South Park's " douchebag vs turd sandwich" bit rather humorous. Call me crazy or pretentious or whatever, and I'd probably call you another boring "grown-up" lacking sense of humor...
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Re: Not voting
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2008, 01:50:32 AM »
So, Antigen, after discovering your vote didn't count, did you file a complaint or follow up?
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Re: Not voting
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2008, 07:30:09 AM »
Not individually, but I did my best to bring attention to the ongoing journalistic and criminal investigations. You?
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Re: Not voting
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2008, 12:41:46 PM »
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Wharbargggglllll"
People that like to biatch about how "both candidates suck, it's douchebag vs turd sandwich" are the same type of people that like to brag about not having a TV and hate all music but their bootleg copy of an Eskimo tribe that creates music by hitting different sized seal bones. You aren't edgy, cool or more intelligent just like you weren't edgy, smart or cool when you were stealing your moms eyeliner in high school. Grow up.
I dunno, I kinda like the 'butt-puglican vs. demo-crap' brand of skepticism...

What if you really don't like either candidate? I'd sooner write in "none of the above", Willie Nelson, or some cool 3rd party candidate before casting my vote for the "lesser of two evils." And no, I don't like TV all that much (although this is not always the case; i like to catch certain series on DVD now and then) and would probably not turn off the Eskimo music either, so consequentially, the quote doesn't contain much in the way of humor that I can see...

Additionally, I found South Park's " douchebag vs turd sandwich" bit rather humorous. Call me crazy or pretentious or whatever, and I'd probably call you another boring "grown-up" lacking sense of humor...


Somehow I didn't think you would.   :rofl:

 


Vote or don't vote.  I don't care.  But whining about it and making fun of people who DO value that right makes no sense to me.   Like you're so above it all.   ::)  Gimme a break.  It IS just like those emo kids who assert that no music that has any amount of popularity can possibly have any value.







stealing your mom's eyeliner in high school.

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
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human lives in the balance
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2008, 04:28:51 PM »
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Like you're so above it all.   ::)  Gimme a break.  It IS just like those emo kids who assert that no music that has any amount of popularity can possibly have any value.
I'm not saying (and never did) that a canditate's integrity had anything to do with popularity.

So the analogy is not the same at all.

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Re: Not voting
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2008, 07:00:33 PM »
Quote from: "Wharbargggglllll"
This is shamelessly stolen from another site's comment section.




People that like to biatch about how "both candidates suck, it's douchebag vs turd sandwich" are the same type of people that like to brag about not having a TV and hate all music but their bootleg copy of an Eskimo tribe that creates music by hitting different sized seal bones. You aren't edgy, cool or more intelligent just like you weren't edgy, smart or cool when you were stealing your moms eyeliner in high school. Grow up.

I think people have as much right to choose NOT to vote. To choose NOT to be controlled by a government.  Until there is a choice on the ballot that allows me to vote for NO GOVERNMENT I very well might exercise my right NOT to vote.  And until I have the chance to vote for what I want in this, oh so free country of ours, I will continue to complain about the fuck holes in office. The right to choose NOT to vote is as much of a right as choosing to vote and everyone therefore has the right to complain about whatever the FUCK they want when it comes to the government or this country.  Understood? Glad I could clear things up for you!  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
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Re: Not voting
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2008, 07:24:14 PM »
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Quote from: "Wharbargggglllll"
This is shamelessly stolen from another site's comment section.




People that like to biatch about how "both candidates suck, it's douchebag vs turd sandwich" are the same type of people that like to brag about not having a TV and hate all music but their bootleg copy of an Eskimo tribe that creates music by hitting different sized seal bones. You aren't edgy, cool or more intelligent just like you weren't edgy, smart or cool when you were stealing your moms eyeliner in high school. Grow up.

I think people have as much right to choose NOT to vote. To choose NOT to be controlled by a government.  Until there is a choice on the ballot that allows me to vote for NO GOVERNMENT I very well might exercise my right NOT to vote.  And until I have the chance to vote for what I want in this, oh so free country of ours, I will continue to complain about the fuck holes in office. The right to choose NOT to vote is as much of a right as choosing to vote and everyone therefore has the right to complain about whatever the FUCK they want when it comes to the government or this country.  Understood? Glad I could clear things up for you!  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
Glad someone else posted something along these lines..

And thanks for beating this schmuck over the head a few times; they needed it!  :rofl:  ::evil::  :roflmao:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:
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Re: human lives in the balance
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2008, 12:46:05 PM »
Quote from: "Froderik"

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Goodie for you.
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