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Carey:
Anon you said: "If this mom wants to talk to you, then fine. Keep digging."
It was through digging that brought me to the truth on Dundee. It was through digging that I found that Dundee was not what it seemed. They presented themselves as a "tropical paradise" when in reality they were a "prison for teens." There are ways to get to the truth. Getting to the truth sometimes upsets a whole lot of people...ususally those are people who have something to hide.
Thanks for the tip Anon. I do plan to keep digging. I already have some facts that seem to back my theory on this FICTIONAL film. I have already had a couple of those who are invovled threaten me with a law suit for speaking about what I believe to be true. It is unfortunate but then I am not afraid of the risk invovled when it concerns so many kids and the TRUTH and FACTS about what is and has happened.
Carey:
Spots, I respect your opinion. Thanks for not attacking my view. I don't know enough about the making of the film Silkwood to know whether or not the idea for the film was made before or after the actual event. Most likely the film came in to play after the story truely happened. I think the differnce here is that the film was in the making before the news broke. In other words the news was not turned on to something that had happened at Casa, but the news was turned on to make something happen...something being the making of a film.
I guess I feel the need to address the "documentary" that will be sent out with the DVD. How is it that the documentary can be sent out with the sale of the DVD with out any fear of slander, yet the movie that is being done for film can not? What is holding the DVD release from being sued for slander?
I would think if the DVD with documentary can be done true to life then so could the film. Why the need to sacrifice the truth for fiction?
Anonymous:
Carey - you wrote: "They presented themselves as a "tropical paradise" when in reality they were a "prison for teens."
Where in their literature or web site does it say that Dundee is a tropical paradise? Costa Rica IS beautiful, that is true. Dundee IS in a beautiful area, that is also true. I see that it is an "environment for change" NOT a vacation! Do you think a parent would send their kid away for a tropical vacation, when change is what they seek? Maybe YOU should be a reporter, you have a gift for twisting reality.
Do you know the difference between a "prison/jail" and "secure and structured?" There is no freedom in the beginning for kids that abused that priviledge at home and need this kind of structure. Secure will prohibit them from running away when the going gets too hard for them to follow rules.
If these kids didn't need this kind of structure then why the hell would parents be going to this extreme? Let me know, cuz I'm not understanding your statement.
FaceKhan:
WWASP facilities are prisons, brutal prisons where they don't just want your body, they want your mind too.
As far as the movie goes I think that it is great that a movie is being done which touches on these issues. It may bring more people into the know on these places.
Why is it fictional? Because you can't make a feature length movie in widespread distribution that accuses someone of such crimes. Look at the flap over Citizen Kane back when it was made. It was just a parody but it became clear who it was about during early production and nearly got cancelled.
In addition you really can't make a movie or tv show that follows the reality inside these teen lockups. For one reason, because the time spent in there is nothing if not utterly boring. After the first week in the show where the main character is not allowed to speak, or if not then ,then an entire episode devoted to watching him in OP it would quickly turn off viewers. Since you are leaving out the downtime in between the random acts of brutality and mental abuse you are safer calling it "dramatized" or "fiction" or "a composite of several people's stories"
The last thing I expect this movie to do is hurt our cause, I think it will probably help a little bit by directing attention towards it.
If you want to make a real life movie of one of these places, than gather up the money, find someone in good mental health who can pass for a teenager and infiltrate with a hidden camera and audio recording somehow. After a month or so you can claim to be the parent coming to her senses and pull him out. Then its just the matter of giving the footage to the media and the government and watching the swat team go in.
Anonymous:
"In addition you really can't make a movie or tv show that follows the reality inside these teen lockups. For one reason, because the time spent in there is nothing if not utterly boring. After the first week in the show where the main character is not allowed to speak, or if not then ,then an entire episode devoted to watching him in OP it would quickly turn off viewers. Since you are leaving out the downtime in between the random acts of brutality and mental abuse you are safer calling it "dramatized" or "fiction" or "a composite of several people's stories."
So what you are saying is that the true reality of these places is not enough to make a movie about. The audience would become bored. I don't agree. I think the tragedy is in the masses. It is in those who are told they can't talk, they can't look at one another, they can cross their legs with out permission. It is in those who's minds are being played with. I don't think the beatings are what makes the story. I do think they are a part of the story but they are not the main part of the story. Most of the kids in these programs are hurt by the subtle abuses that occur, not the beatings. The beatings are few and far between. It is the mental abuse that everyone is subject to that should be the focus. If you want to focus on the beatings then the real tragedy that is occuring in these places will never be understood.
I think you also have to take in to consideration the way this movie has come about. This movie has come to pass by deceptive means. There is notheing wrong with using the media to report the news. However, when the media is used to help sell a movie and its characters, then that is totally deceptive. That is what I believe has occurred.
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