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Carey:
First that previous reply to Facekahn was mine.

Second,

Carey - you wrote: "They presented themselves as a "tropical paradise" when in reality they were a "prison for teens."

Where in their literature or web site does it say that Dundee is a tropical paradise? Costa Rica IS beautiful, that is true. Dundee IS in a beautiful area, that is also true.

My kids never saw anything in Costa Rica.  They did not see the beauty of Costa Rica.  All they saw was the abuse that Dundee had to hand out. Dundee is in a beautiful place...but, Dundee is NOT a beautiful place.  Big difference!!!! Garbage in, garbage out.  If you can distract people from the reality, then maybe you can sell the program.  That must have been Dundee's way of operating.  It was a PRISON.  My point is, tell it like it is.  Don't try to fluff up the reality of these places.  Why does the Dundee literature try to make it seem like these kids are living in some paradise?  They aren't.

Anonymous:
Carey: Again, it's all in your perception.  From looking at the website, it looks very beautiful on the grounds - are you saying the photos are not of Dundee?  Though it may seem like a prison to the kids, they may (hopefully) not know the difference. Prisons have cells and bars.  I know, we can create our own self-imposed prisons' but that's not what I'm saying.  I'm literally saying that prisons and jails have cells, a toilet/sink and bars and very limited movement. RTC's don't.

I won't argue anymore - just take a look at what you are saying and hope that your kids never have to find out the difference.

Carey:
Dundee is worse than prison.

Why show the beautiful surroundings of Dundee. Parents are not looking there to see what their vaction will be like.  Parents view the site to see what the place is like for their kids.  That is their interest, or at least that should be their interest.

They have all of these beautiful pictures of aligators and birds.  Their brochures should be for tourists who need a vacation.  Not for parents who are trying to see what life is like for their kids in a "program."   Why not show the kids as they truely are, all of the kids?  They can't.  They can't show the abuse.  They only other thing they can show besides the scenery, is the handful of kids who they have trained and who they know will comply totally to their demands.

My boys were there 7 months.  Never was there a picture of them on the website, except of course for the staged "family" pictures.  Why were there not pictures of them going on field trips and the like? Because they never lift the PRISON.  They were not emersed in the culture.  They were emersed in the abuse.  That is all they ever got from Dundee no more no less.

Dundee is not closed because of me.  Dundee is closed because of the way they were operating.  ABUSIVELY!!!!!!  I don't deserve the credit for shutting Dundee down, they did it to themselves.  All I did was remove my boys from a place that could careless about their wellbeing.  I just made sure that others knew the reason why I removed them.

Anonymous:
...but then she asked me if ~ ?I could spruce it up a little more, make it a little more sensational.? ~ I told her no. So, she never put it up, it was not "fictional" enough or "dramatic" enough for her.


I have a copy of the email in which ~ ?Sue asked me to add more to my statement than I had wrote.? ~ I have every email ever sent to me from Sue, etal. I make statements that I can back up. Have you not learned that by now.


Asking for more detail is not the same as asking for sensational  fiction.
One is asking for lies, the other for more truth.
Your first statement sounds very much as if your accusing her of asking for lies.
The second only like she asked for more detail.
I can believe the second - but due to my own personal experience, and that of many others, Not the first.

Carey:
"Asking for more detail is not the same as asking for sensational fiction."

When someone asks me to add to my experience, because my experience is not good enough for them, or it is not what they want to hear, then I believe they are looking for sensational fiction.  I never changed what I wrote and it never was put on Sue's website. It was not sensational enough to make it there.   But inlight of everything I have learned about her, I am glad that it didn't.  I would not want to be known as one of her supporters.

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