Author Topic: TELLing shrinks about programs (Read 3406 times)

Guest · « **on:** August 06, 2008, 07:15:29 PM »

hi.
i told my shrink about what happened. his response was nonchalance, and basically "get over it" because it happened almost "one year ago" and I need to forget it.

Is this a normal reaction from shrinks? the right one? what do you think?

psy · « **Reply #1 on:** August 06, 2008, 07:43:52 PM »

Quote from: "LAVY"

hi.
i told my shrink about what happened. his response was nonchalance, and basically "get over it" because it happened almost "one year ago" and I need to forget it.

Is this a normal reaction from shrinks? the right one? what do you think?

No, It's not a normal answer. Find a new shrink (or just lose this one and do your own research on the program... that helps a lot of ppl more than any psychologist, IMO).

Anonymous · « **Reply #2 on:** August 06, 2008, 11:55:21 PM »

Psy knows all about shrinks, he's on psychiatric medication. Why someone would want to put brain altering chemicals in their body without knowing the full effect is dangerous. Antidepressants have been proven that they don't work. other than placebo effect. For someone who rejects wholesale unnecessary treatment, he sure is quick to embrace psychiatry and all it's "miracles". It's bullshit if you ask me, a medicated person in charge of fornits. definitely not cool.

psy · « **Reply #3 on:** August 07, 2008, 09:42:40 AM »

Quote from: "medicated,"

Psy knows all about shrinks, he's on psychiatric medication. Why someone would want to put brain altering chemicals in their body without knowing the full effect is dangerous. Antidepressants have been proven that they don't work. other than placebo effect. For someone who rejects wholesale unnecessary treatment, he sure is quick to embrace psychiatry and all it's "miracles". It's bullshit if you ask me, a medicated person in charge of fornits. definitely not cool.

^^^chaff

AuntieEm2 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 07, 2008, 10:47:44 AM »

Hi, LAVY,

Yes, I agree a new therapist is advisable. Here's my advice--just take what you want and leave the rest. I would distinguish here between psychiatrists, who just meet with you for 20 mintues and prescribe meds, versus psychologists who offer (talk) therapy. You want a psychologist. Over the phone before your first meeting, I would specifically ask the person how many clients they have treated who have post-traumatic stress syndrome (PTSD), or who have been dealing with childhood abuse. You want someone with plenty of experience in this area. I would specifically ask if the person has ever referred a child to a residential treatment program; if so, ask the circumstances. If it sounds like they are supporters of tough love for troubled teens, find someone else. A highly respected therapist I spoke with told me that the method of treatment practiced in programs--isolation from family, confrontational "therapy," and unquestioning compliance--are "not treatment methods that are practiced or taught by any credible institution" in the country.

"Get over it" is not therapy, IMO. Trust your own thoughts, experiences, opinions, doubts and perceptions. Your post suggests to me that your concerns are more than something you can easily put behind you, and that you need more help to understand these experiences in your life.

Asking trusted friends and loved ones for a referral may be the best way to go. If you feel comfortable saying here what city you are in, someone here may be able to refer you. Good luck and let us know what happens.

Auntie Em

dishdutyfugitive · « **Reply #5 on:** August 07, 2008, 11:42:28 AM »

Lavy

How many sessions have you had with this shrink?

What is his/her specialty?

How old is he/she?

Has this shrink been helpful with other issues?

Troll

Did the imperial wizard of your local Klan chapter teach you grammar and critical thinking skills?

AuntieEm2 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 07, 2008, 12:11:55 PM »

Good, valid questions, DDF.

Anonymous · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2008, 12:58:21 PM »

99% of shrinks are useless because they are in their own little world. psychiatry is a religion, not a science, despite popular opinion. read the DSM-IV and you'll see what i mean. 99% of the "disorders" are not in fact "disorders" but just "orders" that are differenent from the standard order. look back into history and see what psychiatrists/psychologists were doing 50 years ago, it's brutal. how do you think we'll view the present methods 50 years from now? You should get off any meds you're on now too. I quit lexapro after 4 years...believe me, it's just as brutal as any drug. it took me a whole year after stopping it to get back to normal.

IMHO, you're better off taking a psychedelic. psychedelics are brutally honest, they always tell you what you need to hear the most. they are the ultimate shrink, without all the B.S.

Anonymous · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2008, 02:22:29 PM »

Guest · « **Reply #9 on:** August 07, 2008, 07:41:43 PM »

Quote from: "duh"

99% of shrinks are useless because they are in their own little world. psychiatry is a religion, not a science, despite popular opinion. read the DSM-IV and you'll see what i mean. 99% of the "disorders" are not in fact "disorders" but just "orders" that are differenent from the standard order. look back into history and see what psychiatrists/psychologists were doing 50 years ago, it's brutal. how do you think we'll view the present methods 50 years from now? You should get off any meds you're on now too. I quit lexapro after 4 years...believe me, it's just as brutal as any drug. it took me a whole year after stopping it to get back to normal.

IMHO, you're better off taking a psychedelic. psychedelics are brutally honest, they always tell you what you need to hear the most. they are the ultimate shrink, without all the B.S.

You need to take them though in the right mental situation. I think they can be guides but if you are not strong enough or aware enough they can just confuse you. I took them and was just overwhelmed by terror and hopelessness. Not so helpful.

Anonymous · « **Reply #10 on:** August 07, 2008, 07:59:36 PM »

true, they do confuse some, even most people. once you are fully socialized psychedelics become somewhat more difficult to handle. The trick behind not being confused is proper preparation and letting go. Meaning, you must prepare by being in the right set and setting, along with not being on any other drugs (including prescription drugs). weed may be popular while tripping but is counter-productive in a number of different ways. drinking while tripping will guarantee confusion. letting go means allowing the drug to take control, and letting go of all your preconceptions about reality.

The thing about terror and hopelessness brought on by psychedelics is that is how one learns. easy trips are fun, and sometimes allow breakthroughs, but it's in the bad trips where one learns the most. sure, it can be terrifying. but that is how one learns. Terror usually occurs when one is still holding on to one's preconceived notions, holding on to one's "sober" mentality and trying to "keep it together"...when one lets go, the terror goes too. "keeping it together" is a bad, bad idea, because it's impossible, when tripping. that's why trip sitters are recommended. the hopelessness problem is easily solved: remember that it's a drug, and it will pass. if you are concerned about staying insane forever see below.

The key to psychedelic self-therapy lies after the trip, not during. it's all about how you deal with the trip and incorporate the new found knowledge into reality. [psychedelic induced] insanity is nothing but the inability to apply one's new-found sanity to the insane world.

When you have a bad trip, it is best to try to get through it. It's good to have a few valiums/xanax/ativan on hand in case one panics, but it is not reccomended. When a drug like that is administered, it does not stop the trip, only stops the panic. One will continue to have a bad trip, just not as unpleasant anymore. the worst is that the drugs will end up confusing you even more, and will impede psychic recovery after the trip; you wont be able to apply your new-found sanity because you wont remember how you got that way in the first place.

Guest · « **Reply #11 on:** August 07, 2008, 08:25:50 PM »

Quote from: "duh"

true, they do confuse some, even most people. once you are fully socialized psychedelics become somewhat more difficult to handle. The trick behind not being confused is proper preparation and letting go. Meaning, you must prepare by being in the right set and setting, along with not being on any other drugs (including prescription drugs). weed may be popular while tripping but is counter-productive in a number of different ways. drinking while tripping will guarantee confusion. letting go means allowing the drug to take control, and letting go of all your preconceptions about reality.

The thing about terror and hopelessness brought on by psychedelics is that is how one learns. easy trips are fun, and sometimes allow breakthroughs, but it's in the bad trips where one learns the most. sure, it can be terrifying. but that is how one learns. Terror usually occurs when one is still holding on to one's preconceived notions, holding on to one's "sober" mentality and trying to "keep it together"...when one lets go, the terror goes too. "keeping it together" is a bad, bad idea, because it's impossible, when tripping. that's why trip sitters are recommended. the hopelessness problem is easily solved: remember that it's a drug, and it will pass. if you are concerned about staying insane forever see below.

The key to psychedelic self-therapy lies after the trip, not during. it's all about how you deal with the trip and incorporate the new found knowledge into reality. [psychedelic induced] insanity is nothing but the inability to apply one's new-found sanity to the insane world.

When you have a bad trip, it is best to try to get through it. It's good to have a few valiums/xanax/ativan on hand in case one panics, but it is not reccomended. When a drug like that is administered, it does not stop the trip, only stops the panic. One will continue to have a bad trip, just not as unpleasant anymore. the worst is that the drugs will end up confusing you even more, and will impede psychic recovery after the trip; you wont be able to apply your new-found sanity because you wont remember how you got that way in the first place.

I guess that psychedelics can be teachers. But if your problems are complex, they can't really help. If your only problem is that you keep to yourself too much, then you can learn you need to reach out more.

But what if your problem is more complicated then that and you need to take definite externally located steps? What if your parents are abusive but you are dependent on them? What if you have some physical illness? The things you need to do--get a lawyer, etc,-- complicated things, they are not too useful in informing you about.

Ideally a shrink would help you with these things. But in reality, shrinks aren't helpful mostly. They just listen and don't guide.

I think social workers are the best option, but they are hard to find, and not easily accessible. I don't think people's problems are "mental," but environmental and environmentally induced "mental" issues.

Anonymous · « **Reply #12 on:** August 07, 2008, 10:19:30 PM »

of course they wont help you find a lawyer and navigate a beurocratic mess. psychedelics cant teach you that. but what they can teach you is how to be a better human being. i find that to be enough.

in terms of replacing a shrink, psychedelics allow you to see your mind from a third person perspective. they allow you to be your own shrink.

Shrinks do not help by magically revealing some information to you that you didnt know. they just help along your thought process through constructive criticism. generally, people do their own work, and the shrink acts as a guide. Psychedelics are not guides, they are tools which allow one to be their own guide.

social workers are human garbage. they sit on their ass all day and never do anything good. a couple i know got their kids taken away for a year and forced through rehab because their crackhead nephew told CPS or some other agency that they were smoking weed (they refused to lend the crackhead money so he blackmailed them and then narked, they were smoking weed but only on weekends when their kids were away at their grandparent's). Meanwhile, next door kids are getting beaten, shot at with bbguns and burned with sodering irons by their alchoholic stepdad and CPS is nowhere to be found.

dishdutyfugitive · « **Reply #13 on:** August 08, 2008, 01:47:05 AM »

acid and peyote is the answer?

Anonymous · « **Reply #14 on:** August 08, 2008, 01:56:34 AM »

Quote from: "dishdutyfugitive"

acid and peyote is the answer?

yeah, something tells me acid and peyote aren't gonna help navigate a bureaucratic mess too well either.

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