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Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
TheWho:
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--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---The guy wrote a book on his first hand experiences.
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No. They're second hand at best, seeing as he wasn't enrolled in the program and wrote about his impression of 4 other individuals' experiences.
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Yes, they would be first hand experiences and second hand experiences. He wrote in boh tenses.
Anonymous:
Who, I agree with Anne. If a survivor wrote a book it would be all first hand information. The Marcus book is a combination of first hand and second hand. He wrote the book from the viewpoint of being inside a program and could experience some of the aspects of what was going on, observe whether kids were being abused or happy or sad and interview them at various stages in their stay, but he didnot go thru the entire experience himself because he could go away at night if he pleased and as not working on any personal issues.
There was another book that was written called “Help at all cost” ,I think, by a Mai Szlavitz. I use to see it here. This is an example of a book written with just second hand information.
TheWho:
Oh, I agree, thanks for clearing that up. Any book which is reporting information from interviews is considered second hand information. But as you mentioned Marcus is also reporting and writing about first hand information.
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---Oh, I agree, thanks for clearing that up. Any book which is reporting information from interviews is considered second hand information. But as you mentioned Marcus is also reporting and writing about first hand information.
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He can write about his first hand observations of the students, but he cannot....in any way, shape or form........write a first hand account of what its like to be inside one of those places, with no due process, no recourse, restricted/monitored/censored communication with family and no chance of leaving without conforming. Until he does two years or so exactly as the kids did, he can't speak for shit except what he observed. And believe me, that's vastly different from what the kids experience.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---Oh, I agree, thanks for clearing that up. Any book which is reporting information from interviews is considered second hand information. But as you mentioned Marcus is also reporting and writing about first hand information.
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He can write about his first hand observations of the students, but he cannot....in any way, shape or form........write a first hand account of what its like to be inside one of those places, with no due process, no recourse, restricted/monitored/censored communication with family and no chance of leaving without conforming. Until he does two years or so exactly as the kids did, he can't speak for shit except what he observed. And believe me, that's vastly different from what the kids experience.
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Exactly, I think we are all saying the same thing. The author can comment on the mechanics of the program. The way the kids act, what they are fed, types of meals, punishments used, structure, number of kids in a room, hours spent in school, free time etc. Which would be communicated to the reader as something like “There were between 8 and 12 children per peer group and the children would go thru the steps of the program together…”. He can also communicate what the children said by quoting them…they could be phrased like.... Bianca was upset when she emerged from her therapy session shouting “I would be better off dead then in this place!!”…….. Michael who was placed at ASR for self mutilation and dropping out of school was set to graduate in 3 weeks. He couldn’t stop talking about getting home and trying to get back to school….. in group last week Michael said “I know I am thinking too far ahead but I would really like to build boats and eventually build a boat for myself so I need to get back to school. I think I can still graduate with my class if I go to school during the summer.”
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