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Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Nihilanthic" ---I think the bottom line is an inconclusive student study that has as an opinion on the part of the author that it COULD be good, but is now not good, is in no way evidence that something is good.
Also, a book about a program written by someone who went through it is not proof anything is good either.
WHY are we still discussing this, except two programmies trying to make a violin out of a fiddle?
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Regardless of the outcome of the book it shows that these schools are not as secretive as people make them out to be. I have read enough to know most of them have open doors and they let this guy in to run around freely for 16 months and then wrote about it. Since the outcome wasnt all pretty it is obvious he wasnt working for the industry, but we already knew that thru his bio.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Nihilanthic" ---
Also, a book about a program written by someone who went through it is not proof anything is good either.
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So what you are saying is living it for 16 months doesnt prove anything, So the same logic must apply to the kids. Their account cannot be taken seriously.
So who do we rely on for the truth? The parents of the kids who attended? Maybe they are more objective because they were not as emotionally involved? You could have a point, but it neutralizes alot of opinions here on fornits if this is indeed true.
Nihilanthic:
A single anecdote is not going to counter thousands of people saying the same thing that is contrary to his story. Preponderance of evidence. A cohesive story told for years by many vs a story by one.
Additionally, I seriously doubt that the program he went to was "open doors" and let him run around freely for 16 months. That is what we call BULLSHIT.
Lets get some other survivors from there to back it up. When one of the biggest complaints about programs is what amounts to coercion and brainwashing, a single story saying that "oh its not bad" doesn't really cut it. Ginger herself says she didn't know what was done to her was bad and wrong until she had been away from it long enough to know that it wasn't acceptable or even not bad.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Nihilanthic" ---A single anecdote is not going to counter thousands of people saying the same thing that is contrary to his story. Preponderance of evidence. A cohesive story told for years by many vs a story by one.
Additionally, I seriously doubt that the program he went to was "open doors" and let him run around freely for 16 months. That is what we call BULLSHIT.
Lets get some other survivors from there to back it up. When one of the biggest complaints about programs is what amounts to coercion and brainwashing, a single story saying that "oh its not bad" doesn't really cut it. Ginger herself says she didn't know what was done to her was bad and wrong until she had been away from it long enough to know that it wasn't acceptable or even not bad.
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Again Niles, you don’t know what you are talking about. Sooner or later a student will come on here and tell you that he followed the group thru their time there and came and went as he pleased. I know this because my daughter was attending at the same time and knew the other kids in the peer group he was following. ASR had an open door policy for him.
Niles you never set foot in a program,,, why run around here doubting other peoples stories? If people say they were abused.. listen to them. If they say they were helped listen to them too. We need to hear the stories of the people who spent time in these places. The guy wrote a book on his first hand experiences. These are the ones that really count the most!! If you start discarding firsthand accounts because of what you think you want to hear you are doing yourself and everyone else here on a fornits a great injustice.... read, listen and learn Niles!! You cant help others if you close yourself off from listening.
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---The guy wrote a book on his first hand experiences.
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No. They're second hand at best, seeing as he wasn't enrolled in the program and wrote about his impression of 4 other individuals' experiences.
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