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Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
Anne Bonney:
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Exactly, I think we are all saying the same thing.
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No, WE're not. Not at all. Whoever is doing the observing, isn't seeing what happens behind closed doors. Just as the parents who think they know about programs because they have a kid that they shipped off to one don't know either. No one can know unless you're trapped there, just like the kids. No one can know the fear, anxiety, shame, guilt and terror that is felt.....either by physical or psychological abuses that inevitably happen in what's commonly referred to as 'group therapy' sessions (raps/profeets or any of the LGAT-type 'therapeutic community' 'positive peer pressure' techniques. They're abusive in their very nature).
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---
Exactly, I think we are all saying the same thing.
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No, WE're not. Not at all. Whoever is doing the observing, isn't seeing what happens behind closed doors. Just as the parents who think they know about programs because they have a kid that they shipped off to one don't know either. No one can know unless you're trapped there, just like the kids. No one can know the fear, anxiety, shame, guilt and terror that is felt.....either by physical or psychological abuses that inevitably happen in what's commonly referred to as 'group therapy' sessions (raps/profeets or any of the LGAT-type 'therapeutic community' 'positive peer pressure' techniques. They're abusive in their very nature).
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Wow!!! Relax Anne.... Read the book!!
Anne Bonney:
Look, unless he spent the time there exactly as the kids did, he CANNOT KNOW what it felt like and what the long term ramifications are, fully. Just like the parents CANNOT EVER KNOW fully what they experienced. Are you saying you disagree with that statement?
As I've said many times here before, when I got out of Straight I was singing their praises telling everyone that it saved my life. When people would ask me about abuse, I laughed because I had no idea, YET, the depths of what had been done to me. I didn't consider it abuse. I would parrot the same tired lines that you still hear to this day regarding these 'new and improved' mindrape mills. I needed that tough love!! Afterall, I had gotten myself into this mess, right? My brain needed a little washing, right? It was all for my own good, right? The raps were really designed just to help me 'get in touch with my feelings', right?
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---Look, unless he spent the time there exactly as the kids did, he CANNOT KNOW what it felt like and what the long term ramifications are, fully. Just like the parents CANNOT EVER KNOW fully what they experienced. Are you saying you disagree with that statement?
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No one is disputing that. Marcus never claimed he knew what the kids felt or indicated/ predicted any long term effects or outcome. He was writing about the ins and outs of a TBS from his point of view.
Nihilanthic:
You know this entire load of shit could be eliminated with a simple fix of making thinsg open and transparent.
Yeah. Don't lock them up in the middle of nowhere incommunicado and make a point of isolating them, and this shit won't happen because they won't be able to HIDE this shit. There is no need while in 'therapy' to keep someone isolated and incommunicado.
But, well, then it wouldn't be a program anymore.
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