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« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2007, 12:26:43 PM »
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I think we've found a place where TheWho is desperately afraid, so let's make an effort to poke holes in it.

Gookin should put this in the Escaper's Guide: The moment the escorts show up, IMMEDIATELY DO WHAT YOU CAN TO GET TO A PHONE AND DIAL 911. You can even stab them if you like- odds are you won't get in trouble for it (and even if you do, what is the legal system gonna do- send you to jail, a better place than the average program? :lol:) If the police see two large, burly men attacking a screaming teen, what the fuck do you think they are going to do?

Don't fucking make it easy for them. When your parents see you screaming, and after the cops have taken hours to calm everybody down (or take someone to jail, or whatever), the entire fucking neighborhood will know what your parents have tried to do and they probably won't go through with it.

Similarly, if you do something like send your foot into the spokes of the steering wheel when being kidnapped (yes, it IS kidnapping) and th cops come, and they see one of the escorts beating you for it (THIS ONE WAS ACTUALLY REPORTED.), they WILL take you back home. Guaranteed.

Start fighting back immediately or end up at the tender mercies of shitheads like this one.

Your choice.


Good post,  This really raises the point that parents need to hire an agency that is experienced in teen escorts.  The process can be dangerous and someone could get hurt if the situation is not handled correctly or gets out of hand.



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« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2007, 12:34:23 PM »
No, shithead, it means that the kids need to sleep with knives under their pillows, never accept anything from their parents before bed, lock/barricade their doors at night, keep a cellphone ALWAYS handy (even a phone listed as stolen can still dial 911), and generally be paranoid.

But you knew this.

And I know that any kid with the Internet access and wherewithal to read Fornits has already taken sufficient precautionary measures against their own parents to prevent it from happening already, making this post (and every other discussion with you) completely pointless.
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« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2007, 12:39:04 PM »
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Torture
The act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.  A method of inflicting such pain.  Extreme anguish of body or mind.  A   cause of sever pain or anguish.


Man, i only wish I had gotten a day to spend by myself in a room.  and if the biggest concern i had was no salt and pepper at the dinner table, i wouldn't be here on Fornits.  OBVIOUSLY, history has shown us examples of people who have fabricated stories of abuse.  and history also shows us the reasons people have fabricated those stories.  this is a different forum altogether.  here we are people reaching out to others who have gone through a similar situation.  we are sharing our stories also to educate people  who otherwise would never hear the truth.  it's like the miracle drug weight loss commercials...they never show the fat girl who spent $450 on the pills and ended up gaining 35#....duh, they show a before pic of someone looking extremeley slovenly, and then miraculously 12 days later she looks like a model.  so go ahead and read all the testimonials on the websites of all the child TORTURE programs around, and you will see the same.  do you think they'd put my testimonial on there?  not likely.  so this is where i get to post my testimonail...my story of what really went on on the inside.  
i have been very up front on here about posting exactly what program i was in.  Hephzibah House...1989-1990...Indiana....director Ron L. Williams.




I know, not having salt or pepper is not a big deal to me either, but to some this was considered a definition of torture and abuse as was carrying wood from one place to the next.  Seems the watering down of the definition hurts the kids who really were tortured or abused.

There is always going to be the “Buyer bewareâ€
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« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2007, 01:25:47 PM »
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No, shithead, it means that the kids need to sleep with knives under their pillows, never accept anything from their parents before bed, lock/barricade their doors at night, keep a cellphone ALWAYS handy (even a phone listed as stolen can still dial 911), and generally be paranoid.

But you knew this.

And I know that any kid with the Internet access and wherewithal to read Fornits has already taken sufficient precautionary measures against their own parents to prevent it from happening already, making this post (and every other discussion with you) completely pointless.

If it is a land-line and hence traceable, you don't even need to say anything into the phone.  Just dial 911, leave the receiver off the hook so they can trace, and stall...
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« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2007, 01:31:42 PM »
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No, shithead, it means that the kids need to sleep with knives under their pillows, never accept anything from their parents before bed, lock/barricade their doors at night, keep a cellphone ALWAYS handy (even a phone listed as stolen can still dial 911), and generally be paranoid.

But you knew this.

And I know that any kid with the Internet access and wherewithal to read Fornits has already taken sufficient precautionary measures against their own parents to prevent it from happening already, making this post (and every other discussion with you) completely pointless.
If it is a land-line and hence traceable, you don't even need to say anything into the phone.  Just dial 911, leave the receiver off the hook so they can trace, and stall...


Not many kids have land-lines in their rooms any more.  Most professional agencies visit the house at night (after a night of the kid partying) and are trained not to allow anything to escalate.  It is done quickly and silently, otherwise they would not be in business very long.
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« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2007, 03:02:46 PM »
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No, shithead, it means that the kids need to sleep with knives under their pillows, never accept anything from their parents before bed, lock/barricade their doors at night, keep a cellphone ALWAYS handy (even a phone listed as stolen can still dial 911), and generally be paranoid.

But you knew this.

And I know that any kid with the Internet access and wherewithal to read Fornits has already taken sufficient precautionary measures against their own parents to prevent it from happening already, making this post (and every other discussion with you) completely pointless.
If it is a land-line and hence traceable, you don't even need to say anything into the phone.  Just dial 911, leave the receiver off the hook so they can trace, and stall...


Unless the kid is told the night before, that he is being escorted, there is no way he/she could react or be prepared from a dead sleep.


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« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2007, 01:01:52 AM »
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No, shithead, it means that the kids need to sleep with knives under their pillows, never accept anything from their parents before bed, lock/barricade their doors at night, keep a cellphone ALWAYS handy (even a phone listed as stolen can still dial 911), and generally be paranoid.

But you knew this.

And I know that any kid with the Internet access and wherewithal to read Fornits has already taken sufficient precautionary measures against their own parents to prevent it from happening already, making this post (and every other discussion with you) completely pointless.
If it is a land-line and hence traceable, you don't even need to say anything into the phone.  Just dial 911, leave the receiver off the hook so they can trace, and stall...

Not many kids have land-lines in their rooms any more.  Most professional agencies visit the house at night (after a night of the kid partying) and are trained not to allow anything to escalate.  It is done quickly and silently, otherwise they would not be in business very long.


When I was abducted i was confused as to what was legal and what was not. If my parents want me to be kidnapped, I thought, will the police even help me?

The answer is no. I was right to be confused.

 A kid I know was kidnapped, and dragged in handcuffs into an airport. The kid was screaming and crying and the cops witnessing did nothing, as her parents had given the OK for this to happen. This is all on videotape somewhere....And, yes, the places that torture kids, that abduct them, remain open, or close (after a dozen lawsuits) and the staff regroups, and often starts another one. The victims get no justice.

And I don't even consider PV an abusive facility similar to what I went through. A cult is abusive, I'll take a restraint happy hospital anyday, over a cult. People don't undestand the LEVEL of torture that goes on in cults. It really is outside the realm of human understanding.


Gabby, the who works for BAIN, or is an insane 50 year old cult member He knows our stories. He considers it his mission to tell us we're lying, he deliberately attempts to confuse (whoever mught be reading these threads) by implying that we think loosing our right to use salt is "torture", and he plays some weird semanitcal game with "abduction". He feels if your parents give permission for men or children to come to your home and abduct  it's not abduction.

He's truly orwellian. Words don't have meaning, or mean two things at once. Crazy. thankfully he digs his own hole with that one
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« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2007, 01:15:02 AM »
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No, shithead, it means that the kids need to sleep with knives under their pillows, never accept anything from their parents before bed, lock/barricade their doors at night, keep a cellphone ALWAYS handy (even a phone listed as stolen can still dial 911), and generally be paranoid.

But you knew this.

And I know that any kid with the Internet access and wherewithal to read Fornits has already taken sufficient precautionary measures against their own parents to prevent it from happening already, making this post (and every other discussion with you) completely pointless.
If it is a land-line and hence traceable, you don't even need to say anything into the phone.  Just dial 911, leave the receiver off the hook so they can trace, and stall...

Not many kids have land-lines in their rooms any more.  Most professional agencies visit the house at night (after a night of the kid partying) and are trained not to allow anything to escalate.  It is done quickly and silently, otherwise they would not be in business very long.

When I was abducted i was confused as to what was legal and what was not. If my parents want me to be kidnapped, I thought, will the police even help me?

The answer is no. I was right to be confused.

 A kid I know was kidnapped, and dragged in handcuffs into an airport. The kid was screaming and crying and the cops witnessing did nothing, as her parents had given the OK for this to happen. This is all on videotape somewhere....And, yes, the places that torture kids, that abduct them, remain open, or close (after a dozen lawsuits) and the staff regroups, and often starts another one. The victims get no justice.

And I don't even consider PV an abusive facility similar to what I went through. A cult is abusive, I'll take a restraint happy hospital anyday, over a cult. People don't undestand the LEVEL of torture that goes on in cults. It really is outside the realm of human understanding.


Gabby, the who works for BAIN, or is an insane 50 year old cult member He knows our stories. He considers it his mission to tell us we're lying, he deliberately attempts to confuse (whoever mught be reading these threads) by implying that we think loosing our right to use salt is "torture", and he plays some weird semanitcal game with "abduction". He feels if your parents give permission for men or children to come to your home and abduct  it's not abduction.

He's truly orwellian. Words don't have meaning, or mean two things at once. Crazy. thankfully he digs his own hole with that one

Sorry. There's a lot of bad grammar and typos in that post. I'm sleepy
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« Reply #68 on: December 30, 2007, 06:04:34 AM »
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Unless the kid is told the night before, that he is being escorted, there is no way he/she could react or be prepared from a dead sleep.


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And that, little droogie, is what my fighting knife and cell phone kept on my person at all times, makeshift alarm systems, abandoning sleep for catnaps and very much caffeine, and newfound knowledge of police protocol and legal systems is for.

The process can be dangerous, after all, and rest assured that if anyone ever tries to pull that shit again, someone WILL get hurt. ^.^
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Very soon now the drug will cause the subject to experience a deathlike paralysis together with deep feelings of terror and helplessness. One of our earlier test subjects described it as being like death. A sense of stifling and drowning.
And it is during this period that we have found the subject will make his most rewarding associations between his catastrophic experience and involvement with the violence he sees.

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« Reply #69 on: December 30, 2007, 11:36:33 AM »
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And that, little droogie, is what my fighting knife and cell phone kept on my person at all times, makeshift alarm systems, abandoning sleep for catnaps and very much caffeine, and newfound knowledge of police protocol and legal systems is for


No one should have to live like that.

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« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2007, 12:09:51 PM »
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And that, little droogie, is what my fighting knife and cell phone kept on my person at all times, makeshift alarm systems, abandoning sleep for catnaps and very much caffeine, and newfound knowledge of police protocol and legal systems is for.

The process can be dangerous, after all, and rest assured that if anyone ever tries to pull that shit again, someone WILL get hurt. ^.^


I had a friend who slept with a knife under his pillow when he was 16, but I didn't connect that to the programs until recently.

Shit, I don't even think he knew what he was preparing for- all he knew is that his mom had threatened to send men after him in the middle of the night.

It never happened, which is kind of a shame- the thought of Rick Strawn with a six-inch blade slammed deep into his sternum (or spiked with a quick overhand strike right into his lower trachea, just above his collarbone) pleases and amuses me.

Remember, kids, these people are going to seriously fucking hurt you and if you've made it to page 8 of a Fornits thread you already know this is the case. If you haven't hit them hard enough to send them to the hospital, keep trying.
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« Reply #71 on: December 30, 2007, 01:03:14 PM »
Seriously... i'm almost torn between the obvious trauma and the fact that my fancy FS knife will probably never see the ribs of a kidnapper. ;_;
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Very soon now the drug will cause the subject to experience a deathlike paralysis together with deep feelings of terror and helplessness. One of our earlier test subjects described it as being like death. A sense of stifling and drowning.
And it is during this period that we have found the subject will make his most rewarding associations between his catastrophic experience and involvement with the violence he sees.

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« Reply #72 on: December 30, 2007, 02:07:15 PM »
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« Reply #73 on: December 30, 2007, 03:58:04 PM »
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And that, little droogie, is what my fighting knife and cell phone kept on my person at all times, makeshift alarm systems, abandoning sleep for catnaps and very much caffeine, and newfound knowledge of police protocol and legal systems is for

No one should have to live like that.

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I hear you, I would never want to live that way either.  You would think instead of all that work to prepare for an unwanted road trip he could use a third of that energy to crack the books a little and get his butt thru high school….. Obey the house rules until he can head out on his own.

These tough guys, carrying and hiding knives, would be the first ones to come back to fornits and complain that the escorts used unnecessary force!!



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« Reply #74 on: December 30, 2007, 06:26:32 PM »
Actually, *she* is living apart from parents and just finishing up high school (as I had been doing easily before the aforementioned kidnapping - my only crime was being sad).

There's a difference between being traumatized and/or paranoid and being traumatized and/or paranoid to the exclusion of all else.
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Very soon now the drug will cause the subject to experience a deathlike paralysis together with deep feelings of terror and helplessness. One of our earlier test subjects described it as being like death. A sense of stifling and drowning.
And it is during this period that we have found the subject will make his most rewarding associations between his catastrophic experience and involvement with the violence he sees.