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[TheWho]

Lets take the flag down for a minute, shall we?  You have been brainwashed and taken in by the group think...lets compare your list to family life:

In a family setting:

•   Children are sent to their room (isolation)

•   Denied access to a phone

•   Told what to eat

•   Families are not licensed

•   Families can and normally are confrontational

•   Some families take their children outside the US even though some children would rather stay home with friends.

•   Children are grounded and not allowed to leave the confines of the property.

•   The kids are parented by former teenagers.

•   Parents are not allowed to spend their entire day with their children due to work and school schedules

•   Some parents consider homosexuality to be a behavior issue.

•   Parents claim to be able to modify behavior thru discipline.

•   Medication is dispensed even though parents are not qualified or have been trained to do so.

•   Children are denied outside activities if they do not conform to silly rules.

•   Etc.

Hmmm...not much difference.



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[Che Gookin]

Comparing parenting decisions to a program is hardly a valid comparison as location and intent are completely different. Sending me to my room as a kid only ment I was able to read, sleep, or do whatever. Sending a kid to iso where they sit on a cold hard floor with nothing to do is hardly a valid comparison. Denying a kid their use to a telephone in a program or refusing to let them write letters merely hinders their ability to access CPS. A kid at home can always waltz their way to the principal's office and make a full report. I was never allowed to use the phone as a kid unless my grandparents were in attendance to prevent me from calling lower Slobovia or something of that order.

And besides any parent who send their child to their room is a heartless cretin who ought to be shot. The child should always be sent to the salt mines, and never their bedrooms.

I'm sorry Who but anyone who tries to compare raising a child at home to what goes on at a program is barking up the wrong tree. Normally I'm content to ignore your folly, but this latest takes the cake.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

sorry, che - that was for ThePoo.

[Anonymous]

In a family setting:

• Children are sent to their room (isolation)

• Denied access to a phone

• Told what to eat

• Families are not licensed

• Families can and normally are confrontational

• Some families take their children outside the US even though some children would rather stay home with friends.

• Children are grounded and not allowed to leave the confines of the property.

• The kids are parented by former teenagers.

• Parents are not allowed to spend their entire day with their children due to work and school schedules

• Some parents consider homosexuality to be a behavior issue.

• Parents claim to be able to modify behavior thru discipline.

• Medication is dispensed even though parents are not qualified or have been trained to do so.

• Children are denied outside activities if they do not conform to silly rules.

• Etc.

Hmmm...not much difference.

[ZenAgent]

Hey, Who...you and four other goons pile on top of your face-down kid and each of you sit on a limb and the fifth sits on the child's back...see how long you keep custody...see how long you stay out of jail

The DCS doesn't look kindly on people putting their kids in straitjackets, either.

Brainwashed? Your mind's been dry cleaned and pressed, old boy - not by a program, but by big Bain $$$$$$$$$$$.

[TheWho]

Comparing parenting decisions to a program is hardly a valid comparison as location and intent are completely different. Sending me to my room as a kid only ment I was able to read, sleep, or do whatever. Sending a kid to iso where they sit on a cold hard floor with nothing to do is hardly a valid comparison. Denying a kid their use to a telephone in a program or refusing to let them write letters merely hinders their ability to access CPS. A kid at home can always waltz their way to the principal's office and make a full report. I was never allowed to use the phone as a kid unless my grandparents were in attendance to prevent me from calling lower Slobovia or something of that order.

And besides any parent who send their child to their room is a heartless cretin who ought to be shot. The child should always be sent to the salt mines, and never their bedrooms.

I'm sorry Who but anyone who tries to compare raising a child at home to what goes on at a program is barking up the wrong tree. Normally I'm content to ignore your folly, but this latest takes the cake.

Sorry, TSW, but that ISAC list is ridiculous.  They are far from abusive....... beatings, salt mines, lack of food, water and clothing  sure!!!



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[TheWho]

Hey, Who...you and four other goons pile on top of your face-down kid and each of you sit on a limb and the fifth sits on the child's back...see how long you keep custody...see how long you stay out of jail

The DCS doesn't look kindly on people putting their kids in straitjackets, either.

Brainwashed? Your mind's been dry cleaned and pressed, old boy - not by a program, but by big Bain $$$$$$$$$$$.

Now, that I agree is a red flag... those types of thing should be on the red flag list.. not items like denying cell phones etc.......



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[Anonymous]

Who...What program do you recommend for curing homosexuality?  With your vast knowledge and all.

[Che Gookin]

Allow me to illustrate to you, Mr. Who, the logic behind the ISAC checklist. Though do be warned I have never seen the need for any sort of program placement no matter how good or how bad the facility.

Warning Signs of Potentially Abusive Facilities


   1. The facility is not licensed.
*This one is invalid as abuse happens in both licensed and unlicensed facilities. Licensure can only implies the facilities have met certain state minimum qualifications. Those minimum qualifications can be quite lax from state to state.

   2. Verbal and/or written communication between the child and his parents, siblings, grandparents, etc. is prohibited, restricted, or monitored on any level.
*Yes lets not allow the child the ability to ask for help from their grandparents or brothers and sisters when the kid's parents won't believe that the kid is being abused.


   3. The facility requires that the parents and/or child sign a form releasing the program of liability in the event of injury to the child.
*I'd agree that this would be needed for a child participating in sports and other physical activities. But what about the facility dodging the responsibility for properly training its counselors? Staff involved in incidents of injury or death of residents have been dumped by the facility with the claims of, "Well they didn't follow proceedure." Isn't it the responsibility fo the facility to be properly training staff and making sure proceedure is being followed?

   4. The program requests/demands/recommends that they have legal custody of children.
*excuse me?? anyone who wants legal custody of my kids, when I have some in the future and I hope I never do, they can also feed and clothe them and keep my the tainted seed of my loins in playstation 2 games as well.
**no facility should have legal custody of a child as it grants them far to much power that is relatively unsupervised by the child's parents.


   5. The program requires that children live in foster or "host" homes instead of allowing them to reside with their parents.
*Straight Inc.. need more be said?


   6. The child or parent or forbidden from discussing the daily happenings at the facility. Often this policy is called "confidentiality."
*yeah lets not talk about how staff face planted a kid and made the kid do an all time acclaimed rendition of "I'm a little pine tree".
Why do these places fear people talking about them? I guess I'm of the notion that if you have nothing to hide it won't be a problem.


   7. The child is denied access to a telephone.
*No calls to the Po Po for little jonny.. gotta keep the truth from gettin' out yall!!!

   8. Phone calls between children and parents are monitored.
*No jonny you will not use your immense powers of logic and persuasion to convince your parents that you are being held by a group of lunatic counselors/WWE wrestling fans who are currently practicing their best moves on a 11 year old. Interestingly enough jonny you will not mention that the 11 year old who is being power bombed was also power bombed on the sidewalked by a 280 pound neanderthal looking counselor named Percival.

   9. The program uses confrontational therapy.
* ARE YOU FRicking stupid or something??? ARE YOU??? ARE YOU??


  10. Parents must fulfill requirements of the facility before being permitted to visit their own children.
*Niggah puhlease.. I'll visit my damn child, when I manage to find a more or less well endowed exotic dancer willing to hatch a kid with me, whenever I damn well please any time of the night or day. If you are gonna try and hide the crap going on at your dump by making me pre-arrange visits then you can kiss my hairy white ass.

  11. The facility is located outside the jurisdiction of the United States.
*Gitmo makes a good example of why you shouldn't send your child to the Reverend Charles School of Christian Truth in Nigeria.

  12. Children are restrained or otherwise physically prevented from leaving the facility.
*Well of course you can't leave jonny.. do you think we want you going to the nearest police station and have us all arrested for buggering sheep?

  13. The staff includes former students/clients of the facility.
*Hey... jonny.. wanna job doing to kids what you had happened to you??

  14. Staff members claim that self-injury or cutting/carving on ones body is normal behavior for a child in treatment.
*most of the kids who started cutting at 3 springs didn't cut before they went there.. so that tells you what now??
  15. Parents are not allowed to remain with their child during the entire intake/entry process.
*Not sure about this one.. I mean technically the parents do have to leave at some point...


  16. The program inflicts physical punishments on children such as exercising for extended periods of time, bizarre cleaning rituals (ie scrubbing floors with a toothbrush) or food restrictions.
*Oh yes.. Jonny you called me the f-word so now you get to clean all the toilets with your toothbrush.. or.. Mikey you woke me up at three in the morning to go to the bathroom so now the whole group can get up and clean the cabin floor with their toothbrushes.. also.. no warm food for you bastards.. peanut butter sammies for you turds.

  17. The program uses humiliation to "break them down.
*yeah.. lets boost jonny's self esteem up some by humiliating the crap out of him.


  18. The program forces children to remain in solitary confinement/isolation/time-out for an unspecified amount of time.
*No program should be sending kids to isolation anyway.. A solo as part of the program is different.. that isn't inherently punitive.. a bit creepy for some kids who aren't used to being alone yes.. and in some cases the kids left on solo are terrified out of their minds.. but isolation is different.. small room for the purpose of containing a kid who is acting out..

sorry.. seen iso rooms abused one to many times.. no way programs should be using them.

  19. The facility considers homosexuality to be a behavioral problem.
*err...

  20. The facility claims to be able to "treat" homosexuality.
*Do they make the fags wear plaid shirts and hunting boots?

  21. Reading materials are prohibited or severely limited.
*I think any program that limits the access to the National Enquirer ought to be commended for their good sense. Yet I can't help but wonder why some programs object to reading materials that in my experience include some decently good books.

  22. The facility does not have a clearly visible sign outside the building or descriptions of their location are vague.



  23. The facility claims to modify behavior, yet has no licensed therapists on staff.No. At least one is licensed.


  24. A licensed doctor or registered nurse is not present at any time during normal operating hours.No, there's a nurse on duty most of the time


  25. Current clients/students participate in the intake/entry process.No


  26. Staff members offer to help parents obtain a court order forcing the child into, or keeping the child in, the facility.Unknown


  27. Children are observed while bathing, dressing, or using the toilet on any level of the program.Yes


  28. The facility claims to treat drug abuse, but does not conduct a drug screen prior to entry.No, they screen.


  29. The facility does not allow children to follow their religion of choice.No


  30. Staff members must "approve" family members, siblings, friends, or employment.Yes


  31. Children are not afforded an education in accordance with state requirements.Unknown


  32. Medication is recommended, prescribed, approved, or dispensed by anyone other than a medical doctor (MD).No


  33. Children are denied medications that have been prescribed by an MD[{i]Yes[/i]


  34. Staff members, admissions personnel, referrers, etc. make statements indicating that "your child will die without" the program.Yes


  35. Children escort/supervise other children.No


  36. Children have to "earn" the "right" to speak during group/therapy sessions.Yes


  37. Children are denied outside activities on any level/phase.Yes


  38. Staff members must approve the withdrawal of children from the facility.Yes


  39. The facility expects total and unquestioned support of parents.YES


  40. Children on any level/phase are forbidden to speak to other children in the facility.Yes


  41. The facility will not disclose the names of any doctors or therapists on staff prior to the child's admittance into the program. The website names clinicians - frontlne staff are not discussed.


ISAC will add to this list as necessary.


It merits a big red flag.

I'm not gonna even finish this list at the moment.. believe it or not every single item on this list is applicable.

Unless you are like me..

I say its all bullshit because no kid should be sent to a program in the first place.

[Botched Programming]

Lets take the flag down for a minute, shall we?  You have been brainwashed and taken in by the group think...lets compare your list to family life:

In a family setting:

•   Children are sent to their room (isolation)

•   Denied access to a phone

•   Told what to eat

•   Families are not licensed

•   Families can and normally are confrontational

•   Some families take their children outside the US even though some children would rather stay home with friends.

•   Children are grounded and not allowed to leave the confines of the property.

•   The kids are parented by former teenagers.

•   Parents are not allowed to spend their entire day with their children due to work and school schedules

•   Some parents consider homosexuality to be a behavior issue.

•   Parents claim to be able to modify behavior thru discipline.

•   Medication is dispensed even though parents are not qualified or have been trained to do so.

•   Children are denied outside activities if they do not conform to silly rules.

•   Etc.

Hmmm...not much difference.



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Wow Who...... This list you compiled by you sounds like that of a person who has never been in a program themself.

So let me get this straight, you are actually trying to compare a "Regular family' homelife with that of having to live in a program facility??? I'm sorry but I say bullshit to that.

In a family atmosphere kids feel safe and secure that their parents will take care of them and keep them from harm.

in a program atmosphere kids are left with a feeling of abandonment which impacts their trust level on many levels. It does not build or nuture the family element, it only tears it down from a kid's perspective.

Being sent to a program also enforces the thought that "My Parents don't care about me, so why should I trust that anyone else will."

My first hand experience of having been in a program has left me with just this. It crippled my ability to have a relationship with my family. It caused my survival instincts to kick in and I have a hard time maintaining any sort of intimate relationship with others as I am not able to get to that level of trust with anyone.

My family on the other hand is a whole lot more fortunate as they do not suffer from the experiences that I had to endure while I was there. They are able to just bounce through life. They did not endure the life changing trauma that many of us here did.

And I really feel you fit into the same catagory as my family..... Blissful ingnorance of the ugly truth about the Industry.

So tell us.... Were you sent to a program in your youth being torn away from everything you knew??? Or are you like my family, stuck in blissful ignorance and blind to the truth???

[TheWho]

Botched Program:

In a family atmosphere kids feel safe and secure that their parents will take care of them and keep them from harm.

How about if the step-father is beating the kids And locking them in a closet?  Most kids feel very secure in these TBS's, many of the pressures are lifted from them.

in a program atmosphere kids are left with a feeling of abandonment which impacts their trust level on many levels. It does not build or nuture the family element, it only tears it down from a kid's perspective.

Same can apply to daycare, boarding school or college…and yes it does occur, I agree.

Being sent to a program also enforces the thought that "My Parents don't care about me, so why should I trust that anyone else will."

The same feelings can emerge if a parent takes away their cell phone and grounds them for a week.

My first hand experience of having been in a program has left me with just this. It crippled my ability to have a relationship with my family. It caused my survival instincts to kick in and I have a hard time maintaining any sort of intimate relationship with others as I am not able to get to that level of trust with anyone.

I am sorry that has occurred.

My family on the other hand is a whole lot more fortunate as they do not suffer from the experiences that I had to endure while I was there. They are able to just bounce through life. They did not endure the life changing trauma that many of us here did.

Some families are more affected than others, yours seems to be more fortunate.

And I really feel you fit into the same catagory as my family..... Blissful ingnorance of the ugly truth about the Industry.

That’s okay, I seem to struggle too understanding many of the kids perception of what they experienced when they went away.

So tell us.... Were you sent to a program in your youth being torn away from everything you knew??? Or are you like my family, stuck in blissful ignorance and blind to the truth???

A little in the middle.. I was never sent away, but when my daughter was in ASR we all struggled a lot and it was tough on the whole family.  I don’t think any of us were blind to the truth and we all changed quite a bit, not just my daughter.



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[Anonymous]

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[SettleForNothingLess]

THEWHO....UNTIL YOU HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED, DONT FUCKIN SAY SHIT. ITS NOT RIGHT. MAYBE WHEN YOU WALK IN A VICTIM/SURVIVORS SHOES, THEN COME BACK AND POST YOUR FEELINGS, MAYBE THEY WILL BE MORE CORRECT, BECAUSE THE SHIT I JUST READ MADE ME SHAKE WITH RAGE. UNTIL YOU ARE THE VICTIM, DONT TALK FOR US.

[SettleForNothingLess]

Lets take the flag down for a minute, shall we?  You have been brainwashed and taken in by the group think...lets compare your list to family life:

In a family setting:

•   Children are sent to their room (isolation)

•   Denied access to a phone

•   Told what to eat

•   Families are not licensed

•   Families can and normally are confrontational

•   Some families take their children outside the US even though some children would rather stay home with friends.

•   Children are grounded and not allowed to leave the confines of the property.

•   The kids are parented by former teenagers.

•   Parents are not allowed to spend their entire day with their children due to work and school schedules

•   Some parents consider homosexuality to be a behavior issue.

•   Parents claim to be able to modify behavior thru discipline.

•   Medication is dispensed even though parents are not qualified or have been trained to do so.

•   Children are denied outside activities if they do not conform to silly rules.

•   Etc.

Hmmm...not much difference.



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Heres my comparison to your shit THEWHO...
>hmm being sent to your room is the same as isolation... i dont remember my room at home being all white walls, no carpet, with a window with fuckin locks and bar like screening.

>denied access to a phone? hmm ya ok.. well how about not just being grounded for a week without being able to talk on the phone but never in your stay there and when you can in sessionss... it is all monitored.. if they dont like where the convo  is going... CLICK

>Told what to eat is different then forcing food. My parents told me to eat my veggies when i was young, but did that mean that if i didnt.. too bad i dont eat for the rest of the day? and how about when the EColi and fuckin Norovirus outbreak?

>families not licenced...uhh duhh... no shit theyre not.. thats a lame fuckin rebuttal... MENTAL HEALTH "PROFESSIONALS" TREATING YOUR KID SHOULD BE FUCKING LICENCED. Like for example if you had to have open heart surgery, how would you feel with someone who took a class or two in college with a GED and no Degree much less licence to perform that fuckn surgery?

>Yes families can be confrontational but not to the degree where you confront others for personal gain so you dont get the treatment the Gowns n Scrubs get!!!

>COmparing a family vacation to a TTI shitpit? thats just pure idiotic.. it aint no fuckin all inclusive resort... PV even makes you pay extra for each restraint! Some psychotropic cocktails are extra, etc.

>Not allowed to leave the property? WTF??? At least they can go outside... and also if little Elian falls outside and needs Xrays, that parent will take him to the hospital and not bring the Xray to the "premises"

>Parented by former teens? how about the former teens are performing your treatment process?

>Parents at PV sometimes can never see their kids.

>Homos are ill? Whoever says that is gay... Yall who talk alot of shit are the ones who are ill.

>Discipline may be at home things like no computer or phone for a week, and you have to stay home on friday nite.. PV discipline is having 5 people sitting on you face down on the ground where you cannot breathe and can very easily suffocate. and if thats not discipline enough, you get the body net on a bed for a day. And dont forget using psychotropics as discipline as well.

>Patients are never outside while on GAAU aka STU. Never get to feel the energy and warmth of the sun. Cant even look out the fuckin window.

>HMMMMMM MUCH FUCKIN DIFFERENCE YOU IGNORANT, PIECE OF SHIT. YOU WANNA TALK SHIT, ILL BE HERE TO KNOCK IT ALL DOWN BACK INTO THE PILE OF HORSESHIT IT IS. GOD, MOTHERFUCKER.