drug addicts don't want to get clean

[Anonymous]

TheWho said

even if the torture, humiliation and abuse is self inflicted,

Blaming the victim, once again.

Why are we even trying to educate this troll? He appears to be un-educatable.

Plus, Ireally wonder he keeps coming on here for more abuse - maybe he's just not SADISTIC, maybe he's masochisc - into the S&M thing.

[Anonymous]

Do you know anything about Wraparound treatment, Who? Community based treatment? There are other treatment options for extremely troubled kids that don't subject them to the trauma of being yanked from their homes and forced into the "tough love" tactics of strangers. Who, even you should realize that if a kid is "out of control" and "acting out", there's probably a problem in the family dynamic.. Too many parents (like you) won't accept any blame for the problems and ship their kids off to be "fixed". It's possible the child will thrive in the program, simply because he/she is out of the troubled home. What happens when the kid returns and the parents are still fucked-up as ever?

I know some programs advertise they work with the entire family, Peninsula Village claims to "Restore Families and Mend Young Lives". Bullshit, fraudulent advertising there. If the parents of a patient are divorced, the parent paying for the program dictates treatment. My wife asked questions about the program and angered the clinical director, who couldn't answer the questions. He thought questioning any aspect of the program interfered with the therapeutic process. Shortly afterward, my wife photographed her daughter's "restraint" (five fat broads piled on a teenager), and she was denied contact with her daughter for six months, while dad upheld the ban and went to work "Mom bashing" during his sessions with his daughter, with the therapist's tacit approval.

The reality of programs is nothing like our reality, huh? Five women pile on a teenager and pin her face down, one on each limb, one sitting on her back, and the girl is screaming she can't breathe. If that happened on the street, those obese hags would have been arrested. Also, imagine what my wife was experiencing: her daughter is screaming she can't breathe with all those people on her, counselors nearby are actually laughing. The staff is lucky my wife only had a camera in her car - I don't think any jury would have convicted her for emptying a clip into the attackers.

Also, allowing dad to dictate the treatment and uphold the "mom ban" so he can slander and insult his daughter's mother is abhorrent, but perfectly legal in the program. In the real world, that's called parental alienation and ol' dad would have been knocked down a few notches by The Man.

Parents - take a good look at yourselves before you turn your kids over to the tender mercies of strangers who view your kid as a "thing" to be processed and run through the mill for money. You're really doing your kids a disservice by not taking a hard look at yourselves before calling that escort service.

Zenagent - thank you. Two thumbs up.

[TheWho]

Parents - take a good look at yourselves before you turn your kids over to the tender mercies of strangers who view your kid as a "thing" to be processed and run through the mill for money. You're really doing your kids a disservice by not taking a hard look at yourselves before calling that escort service.

Good point, I tend to agree with Zen on this point.  Many of the better TBS's don’t take kids via escort services and they should only be used in a crisis situation.  As far as turning your child over to strangers, this is huge for most parents and should be considered just as important as turning your child over to a daycare provider, pediatrician, tutor, psychologist, private or public school etc.  You need to do your homework, visit the school and get to know the people who will be working with your child.



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[Anonymous]

Please ignore TheWho -

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[Anonymous]

(PROTIP: TheWho's repeated statistics are bullshit. There were at least 34 restraint-kills during that time.) [/color]

[TheWho]

Do you know anything about Wraparound treatment, Who? Community based treatment? There are other treatment options for extremely troubled kids that don't subject them to the trauma of being yanked from their homes and forced into the "tough love" tactics of strangers. Who, even you should realize that if a kid is "out of control" and "acting out", there's probably a problem in the family dynamic.. Too many parents (like you) won't accept any blame for the problems and ship their kids off to be "fixed". It's possible the child will thrive in the program, simply because he/she is out of the troubled home. What happens when the kid returns and the parents are still fucked-up as ever?

I think most parents are aware of the treatment options locally, by the time they are looking for treatment outside the home and most realize it isn’t just the child that needs fixing or shipping off (as you call it).  But this is what the TBS’s do, they help the entire family and if they feel the child isn’t in a healthy environment then they will suggest the child move from the TBS onto a private boarding school close to home.  If there are problems within the home and parents agree to work on them and are successful then the school may recommend the child to transition directly back home.  There were 2 cases in my daughters group where the family was successful in stabilizing things at home and doing some hard work themselves to accomplish this and at least one case where it was suggested the child not go home afterwards.

So each case is different and each child will progress down their own path to success.



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[Anonymous]

Please ignore TheWho.

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[Anonymous]

these 'schools' lie and put on a good show! The parents dont get to see what really goes on...the parents should talk to survivors to get the real scoop. these parents get desperate they cant bully thier kids into submission anymore that they have to outsource the bullying. parents are the problem and thier parents and thier parents before them. someones gotta stop and take some resposibility here... work it out yourself take time off be with your child and find the balance to get through the teen years...no biggie time marchs on... we've all been there and we'll all get through it...remember when you thought your toddler would never figure out how to put his shoes on the right feet...well he eventually did so trust everything will work out this time too!!! please for the sake of both your sanities and future relationship.

[Nihilanthic]

I think most parents are aware of the treatment options locally, by the time they are looking for treatment outside the home and most realize it isn’t just the child that needs fixing or shipping off (as you call it).  But this is what the TBS’s do, they help the entire family and if they feel the child isn’t in a healthy environment then they will suggest the child move from the TBS onto a private boarding school close to home.  If there are problems within the home and parents agree to work on them and are successful then the school may recommend the child to transition directly back home.  There were 2 cases in my daughters group where the family was successful in stabilizing things at home and doing some hard work themselves to accomplish this and at least one case where it was suggested the child not go home afterwards.

So each case is different and each child will progress down their own path to success.



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More made up bullshit.

Programs are not treatment based at all. They keep the kid and make the child complete a level system based program, not diagnose anything and see if a child needs to be removed from home or not.

And for that matter, nobody should be held captive and locked up unless they NEED To be. That is one of the ethics of the medical community - something the program industry does not have.

Furthermore, it doesn't take years and years to "stabilize" anything, and you don't need to send someone away in handcuffs and put them in a program to do so.

You just made this shit up after the fact and stuck some buzzwords in! This has no basis in anything at all! You can't even show us a program that "works at home", can you?

[Anonymous]

these 'schools' lie and put on a good show! The parents dont get to see what really goes on...the parents should talk to survivors to get the real scoop. these parents get desperate they cant bully thier kids into submission anymore that they have to outsource the bullying. parents are the problem and thier parents and thier parents before them. someones gotta stop and take some resposibility here... work it out yourself take time off be with your child and find the balance to get through the teen years...no biggie time marchs on... we've all been there and we'll all get through it...remember when you thought your toddler would never figure out how to put his shoes on the right feet...well he eventually did so trust everything will work out this time too!!! please for the sake of both your sanities and future relationship.

 

[TheWho]

I think most parents are aware of the treatment options locally, by the time they are looking for treatment outside the home and most realize it isn’t just the child that needs fixing or shipping off (as you call it).  But this is what the TBS’s do, they help the entire family and if they feel the child isn’t in a healthy environment then they will suggest the child move from the TBS onto a private boarding school close to home.  If there are problems within the home and parents agree to work on them and are successful then the school may recommend the child to transition directly back home.  There were 2 cases in my daughters group where the family was successful in stabilizing things at home and doing some hard work themselves to accomplish this and at least one case where it was suggested the child not go home afterwards.

So each case is different and each child will progress down their own path to success.



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More made up bullshit.

Programs are not treatment based at all. They keep the kid and make the child complete a level system based program, not diagnose anything and see if a child needs to be removed from home or not.

And for that matter, nobody should be held captive and locked up unless they NEED To be. That is one of the ethics of the medical community - something the program industry does not have.

Furthermore, it doesn't take years and years to "stabilize" anything, and you don't need to send someone away in handcuffs and put them in a program to do so.

You just made this shit up after the fact and stuck some buzzwords in! This has no basis in anything at all! You can't even show us a program that "works at home", can you?

Well, "the proof is in the pudding "... as they say.  Between 20,000 and 50,000 kids are successfully helped each year by these programs and have moved on with their lives.  Talk to some of the parents who had kids attend and graduate from these facilities. Talk to some of the kids who graduated..

I don’t expect parents to take my word for it or yours, Niles... this is their children we are talking about, they need to do their homework themselves and insure their children are in a safe environment by talking to the people who will be caring for them not a bunch of people in a forum in the internet.



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[Anonymous]

the kids who just 'graduated' are brainwashed you retard. go talk to them in 15 20 yrs!

[Anonymous]

Please ignore TheWho.

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[Anonymous]

the who - two points on those stats you posted:

1. ATTEMPTED suicides would be a good stat to include too. along with rapes, attempted rapes, physical mental and sexual harrasment, and suicides and attempted suicides after release, along with reports of PTSD after release. also please factor in restraint-related injuries and deaths, including forign tbs's like TB or casa by the sea. maybe you should also find total numbers of employed individuals in the industry who are either unqualified, have sadistic tendencies, have criminal records, or are substance abusers themselves.

2. those stats prove without a doubt that you are working for the industry. they also prove that you dont know jack shit about the industry. doctor your stats all you want, we all now there fake.

[TheWho]

the kids who just 'graduated' are brainwashed you retard. go talk to them in 15 20 yrs!

Well, so the programs are only good for 20 years or so (big deal) and so they finally come out of it, approaching 40 years old, and find themselves in a healthy lifestyle with 3 kids of their own, great job and life and they get this sudden urge to smoke pot and have unprotective sex with strangers... things could be worse... they could call the school and ask for their money back.



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