Parents don't want to listen

[TheWho]

Next, post the state requirement that indicates all substance abuse counselors must be certified. All not just State employed.

I hear crickets.... this is what I thought.  As far as my research has told me (only one days worth, mind you) HLA is living up to the requirement:  "Say what you do and Do what you say", in the counselor department, anyway.

I am not for or against HLA nor affiliated with them.  I am just trying to get an idea of how they stand against requirements.  Are there state requirements we should be looking at?


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[TheWho]

Deborah, I forgot to put the little "Cat-in-the-hat" symbol at the bottom of the post on the previous page.  If you could add it that would be nice.  It use to be my daughters favorite story at night along with "Green eggs and Ham".  Its a good reminder of why we are all here,  "The kids".  I just have to come up with a new log-in name and then have the little guy appear automatically.

Thanks
here is a link:

http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=273878#273878


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[Anonymous]

But they advertise that their counseling staff all have Master's or higher.

It appears you mixed that up with their employment page.  HLA is looking for a counselor with a masters degree in a related field

They are also looking for assistant counselors with a bachelors degree.  So not all counselors are required to have advanced degrees but they are all educated in the field.  Do they advertise elsewhere that all their counselors hold advanced degrees?  I did not see that.

yes, they do advertise this elsewhere.  i researched this for the lawsuit and i found no less than 30 sites on which HLA advertises itself as having "42 Masters Level Counselors" and that all peer group counselors hold a "Masters degree or higher."  of course, these are all lies, but hey, they're just tryin' to make a buck!

this has been well documented on Fornits.  you can search the threads for it.

No, the lies continue:
http://tinyurl.com/2nsm7k

 
Hidden Lake Academy

(Therapeutic Boarding School)
 
  Gender: Coeducational Phone: (800) 394-0640
Ages: 13 to 18
 
 
Grades: 7 to 12 Fax: (706) 864-9109
Enrollment: 175 Email: www.hiddenlakeacademy.com
Founded: 1994    
    Admission Contact: Billy Pichon  
Address: 830 Hidden Lake Rd.
Dahlonega, GA 30533  Executive Contact: Leonard Buccellato, Ph.D.
   
       
 
Hidden Lake Academy (HLA), located on a 215-acre campus one hour north of Atlanta, helps young people make significant gains in emotional maturity and academic achievement. Integral to the HLA program is an equal emphasis on the college-preparatory academic curriculum and sudent's therapeutic work. The Hidden Lake Academy staff cooperate to help students develop all aspects of their lives: physical, mental, emotional, social, and spiritual. The 10:1 student to teacher ratio ensures individual attention and a return to academic success.

Typical students exhibit oppositional-defiant behavior, low self-esteem, depression, ADHD, deteriorating family relationships, and are making poor choices. Students typically graduate Hidden Lake Academy's therapeutic program with a greatly increased ability and motivation to make decisions that will positively impact their lives.

Hidden Lake Academy utilizes a detailed, sequential therapeutic program which allows for a high degree of program accountability. Each group consists of 14 students and is led by 2 Master's-level counselors. Students participate in three group counseling sessions per week (7 hours). In addition to group therapy, an addictions education course, planned and staffed by specialists in this field, is included in each student's experience. A wilderness component-consisting of a series of exciting and challenging experiences including day hikes, adventure trips, rock climbing and rappelling days, a ropes course, and canoeing is carefully integrated into a program. A staff chaplain provides ample opportunities for spiritual development for students of all faiths and coordinates extensive community services projects and numerous off-campus trips. HLA competes in the Atlanta Athletic Conference. Studens participate in basketball, volleyball, baseball, soccer, wrestling, tennis, softball, golf and track. Sports are balanced by strong Drama and Fine Arts Departments.
 
   
Individual Psychotherapy Available: Yes
Accreditation, Licensure, Approval: The Georgia Accrediting Commission; Southern Association of Colleges and Schools
Professional Affiliations: NATSAP-Full Member; GAIS; GAPSEC;GISA; NAIS; SSATB,

This is for the dumbass we know as "Who".....

[Anonymous]

Next, post the state requirement that indicates all substance abuse counselors must be certified. All not just State employed.

I hear crickets.... this is what I thought.  As far as my research has told me (only one days worth, mind you) HLA is living up to the requirement:  "Say what you do and Do what you say", in the counselor department, anyway.

I am not for or against HLA nor affiliated with them.  I am just trying to get an idea of how they stand against requirements.  Are there state requirements we should be looking at?


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You heard crickets because, unlike you, most people have a life outside of Fornits and are not going to sit around on a Friday night posting on this site.  Loser.

[Anonymous]

Deborah, I forgot to put the little "Cat-in-the-hat" symbol at the bottom of the post on the previous page.  If you could add it that would be nice.  It use to be my daughters favorite story at night along with "Green eggs and Ham".  Its a good reminder of why we are all here,  "The kids".  I just have to come up with a new log-in name and then have the little guy appear automatically.

Thanks
here is a link:

http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=273878#273878


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Don't include yourself in this "we" you speak of.  You have nothing to do with helping kids and you most assuredly have nothing to do with Fornits and why it's here.  Why are you here?

[FunkyChild]

i noticed on an above post stating "college prep.", they had this statistic everyone in academics prided themselves upon; "100% of our students apply and are accepted to UNIVERSITIES" i applied to a specialty college (berklee college of music) and since that didn't correspond to the statistic, academics flipped out, and told me to apply to a university. tulane was trashed, miami was too fucking expensive, and i don't have enough balls to go to new york (waaaaaay too compeditive there, the jazz scene is dying). and when a private music tutor was hired for me, staff did nothing but treat him like an intruder. thanks for the support, you cocks.

[Anonymous]

agreed. it happened to me to, but with naropa univeristy. and i also tried to get back into my old high school for the remainder of my senior year, and they sabotaged that. called my old school telling them i'm a bad kid and very high risk and such. they sabotaged my application to every school i applied to unless it was a step-down program, followed by a small, strict college. luckily my mom gave them the finger and hired a few people to do some counter-sabotage.


and the new york scene really really really does suck big fat balls. it's all bullemic spoil-tarted julliard freaks, and "try too hard" hipsters. you did yourself a favor by not coming here. you'll have better luck in boston or L.A. thought about nashville all?

[TheWho]

Don't include yourself in this "we" you speak of. You have nothing to do with helping kids and you most assuredly have nothing to do with Fornits and why it's here. Why are you here?

“We” includes myself, but it may or may not include you.  It doesn’t appear you are a very good advocate for fornits yourself, based on your posts.  It is important, in my opinion, to have both sides of a discussion represented so that the reader can get a balanced argument and free flowing information.  I don’t think you would be interested in or find an “All pro-HLA” forum informative and neither would I.  This wouldn’t do the parents or the kids any good just like a forum which posted just a negative view of HLA.

So I think we can all agree that including and inviting people from all points of view into the discussion will strengthen the parents’ ability to make the right decision for their child.  This in turn will make fornits a more reliable resource for families seeking guidance.  (It has been obvious, especially on the LA thread, that people would like to keep the discussion one-sided as to mis lead the parents)

I am neutral in my position of HLA and feel I can add balance to the conversation by asking (and discovering )new questions and adding a fresh point of view which may cause all of us to see each topic in a different light, bring new information to the table etc..


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[Troll Control]

Deb, please, get rid of this guy already.  It's TheWho, he admits it, he's banned...What's the holdup?

I'm so sick and tired of his (in his mind only) "adding value" and "balancing the discussion". If he actually added value or balance, I'd say "keep him," but since he doesn't, just enforce the ban.

[Deborah]

I can't ban. Speak to an Admin. I made the request last week. Perhaps they think Who "adds value".

[Troll Control]

I know you can't ban.  That's not a problem.  He is ALREADY banned.  Just erase his posts.

Some believe the quickest way to get rid of him is to ignore him.  I believe it is to erase his posts thereby making any effort he makes here null, void and a complete waste of time.  Let him take up five hours a day posting and you spend five minutes invalidating the effort.  Very simple way to deal with it.

Just shitcan all his posts and he'll stop posting.  No need to read for content or anything else.  He violated the TOS, was banned for it and is now violating the ban.  Use the "delete" key on this dumbass.

[Anonymous]

I know you can't ban.  That's not a problem.  He is ALREADY banned.  Just erase his posts.

Some believe the quickest way to get rid of him is to ignore him.  I believe it is to erase his posts thereby making any effort he makes here null, void and a complete waste of time.  Let him take up five hours a day posting and you spend five minutes invalidating the effort.  Very simple way to deal with it.

Just shitcan all his posts and he'll stop posting.  No need to read for content or anything else.  He violated the TOS, was banned for it and is now violating the ban.  Use the "delete" key on this dumbass.

I disagree.  He makes himself look like an ass anyway and if we start erasing things it will only give him room to say we've changed the thread, altered his posts or otherwise tried to control the conversation to our point of view.  That's what THEY do, not us.

As has been said before, it's an EXTREMELY rare situation that anyone gets banned and the only other time I've known about it here, Ginger let the ban up after a couple weeks.

[Troll Control]

I have a different opinion.  If ANYHTING he says here is used by a parent to place their child in an abusive program, like HLA or ASR, for example, then it will cause damage to an innocent child for no reason other than we did nothing to stop it.

Let's face facts: He's here solely for the purpose of promoting programs and he posts falsehoods that support his mission.

Why should I allow myself to be his vehicle for the abuse of children?

[nimdA]

I banned "The Who" off my facilities forum. If the anon is "The Who" then it wouldn't be a stretch to just delete all of his posts, I've did it and the only one who complained about it was him.

[Anonymous]

I have a different opinion.  If ANYHTING he says here is used by a parent to place their child in an abusive program, like HLA or ASR, for example, then it will cause damage to an innocent child for no reason other than we did nothing to stop it.

Let's face facts: He's here solely for the purpose of promoting programs and he posts falsehoods that support his mission.

Why should I allow myself to be his vehicle for the abuse of children?

Yourself?  Is this Ginger?

Yes, I understood your opinion when you wrote it the first time.  That's why I began my response with "I disagree".  I still hold the opinion that if we start deleting things we don't like, we're no different than Lon Woodbury trying to control his forum.  We all see how well that worked out.