Parents don't want to listen

[nimdA]

I have a different opinion.  If ANYHTING he says here is used by a parent to place their child in an abusive program, like HLA or ASR, for example, then it will cause damage to an innocent child for no reason other than we did nothing to stop it.

Let's face facts: He's here solely for the purpose of promoting programs and he posts falsehoods that support his mission.

Why should I allow myself to be his vehicle for the abuse of children?

Yourself?  Is this Ginger?

Yes, I understood your opinion when you wrote it the first time.  That's why I began my response with "I disagree".  I still hold the opinion that if we start deleting things we don't like, we're no different than Lon Woodbury trying to control his forum.  We all see how well that worked out.

hmmmm... this person does make a really good point.

[Troll Control]

I think it depends on circumstances.  In a fair, level, grounded debate this guy is meat.

HOWEVER, since he doesn't rely on facts or debate thereof, it's only propaganda left behind.  Due to the fact that he is already banned and never asked to be reinstated, he should be summarily booted and his drivel removed.

It's not censorship, it's enforcement of TOS rules that we all have to live by except TheWho.  He's the one getting special treatment, not "us."

[Anonymous]

I think it depends on circumstances.  In a fair, level, grounded debate this guy is meat.

HOWEVER, since he doesn't rely on facts or debate thereof, it's only propaganda left behind.  Due to the fact that he is already banned and never asked to be reinstated, he should be summarily booted and his drivel removed.

It's not censorship, it's enforcement of TOS rules that we all have to live by except TheWho.  He's the one getting special treatment, not "us."

Fine, talk to the owner of the site and see how she feels about it.  I've seen her ban one person before (a survivor).  She did not remove his postings.

[Troll Control]

Also, it has nothing whatsoever to do with "deleting things we don't like" - you miss the point here.  It's about an OFFICIALLY& BANNED AND NEVER REINSTATED poster continuing to post.  

There's no need even to read what he writes.  It should be promptly deleted whenever possible until he expresses contritiion and asks to be reinstated.  

The subject matter of the posts is irrelevant and, therefore, by logical extension, whether anyone "likes" the content or not is also irrelevent.

[Anonymous]

Also, it has nothing whatsoever to do with "deleting things we don't like" - you miss the point here.  It's about an OFFICIALLY& BANNED AND NEVER REINSTATED poster continuing to post.  

There's no need even to read what he writes.  It should be promptly deleted whenever possible until he expresses contritiion and asks to be reinstated.  

The subject matter of the posts is irrelevant and, therefore, by logical extension, whether anyone "likes" the content or not is also irrelevent.

It's not irrelevant.  When there are posts in a thread that are deleted, it makes the thread confusing.  If people are only reading responses to The Who's posts and don't see what they're responding to, it makes it very difficult to follow the discussion.

Look, I hate The Who as much as anyone else but banning him won't even work in the first place.  All he's got to do is unplug his modem so it generates a new IP or use a proxy.  And as I said, he only makes himself look like a big idiot.

[Troll Control]

And as I said, he only makes himself look like a big idiot.

...while simultaneously derailing every thread and rendering them uselss and or unreadable anyway.  Your reasoning for permitting this doesn't float.  

He has a 300 page thread devoted entirely to him.  Let him post there where it doesn't interfere with meaningful dialogue.  Why turn the HLA threads into toilet fodder?  Makes no sense to me.

[Anonymous]

Ideology over reality, the same problem that causes programs.

[Anonymous]

And as I said, he only makes himself look like a big idiot.

...while simultaneously derailing every thread and rendering them uselss and or unreadable anyway.  Your reasoning for permitting this doesn't float.  

He has a 300 page thread devoted entirely to him.  Let him post there where it doesn't interfere with meaningful dialogue.  Why turn the HLA threads into toilet fodder?  Makes no sense to me.

Then take it up with the owner of the site.  

He doesn't derail the threads.  The tries to, but ends up looking like an ass.

[Anonymous]

He doesn't derail the threads.  He tries to, but ends up looking like an ass.

[Froderik]

Jesus.. how fucking hard is it to just ignore the guy....sheesh.. ::bangin::

[Anonymous]

Jesus.. how fucking hard is it to just ignore the guy....sheesh.. ::bangin::

Thank you!  ::cheers::  :smokin:  ::bandit::

[Troll Control]

Ideology over reality, the same problem that causes programs.

I think you have some organic problem with discerning the difference.

I am relating the facys, you are espousing an ideology.  you have it backwards.

Facts:  

The Who violated the TOS.  TheWho was banned.  TheWho is now posting anyway.  TheWho is promoting child abuse.



Ideology:

You support "free speech trumps all," which is very misguided and not even supported by the Constitution.


Woefully misguided and stupid statement:

My thinking is the kind that creates programs.


Conclusion:

You need to reevaluate your positions because on their face they are inconsistent with objective reality.

[Anonymous]

Ideology over reality, the same problem that causes programs.

I think you have some organic problem with discerning the difference.

I am relating the facys, you are espousing an ideology.  you have it backwards.

Facts:  

The Who violated the TOS.  TheWho was banned.  TheWho is now posting anyway.  TheWho is promoting child abuse.



Ideology:

You support "free speech trumps all," which is very misguided and not even supported by the Constitution.


Woefully misguided and stupid statement:

My thinking is the kind that creates programs.


Conclusion:

You need to reevaluate your positions because on their face they are inconsistent with objective reality.

Don't ever, EVER tell a program survivor what the "need" to do.

 ::both::  ::fuckoff::  ::both::  ::fuckoff::

[Troll Control]

Ideology over reality, the same problem that causes programs.

I think you have some organic problem with discerning the difference.

I am relating the facys, you are espousing an ideology.  you have it backwards.

Facts:  

The Who violated the TOS.  TheWho was banned.  TheWho is now posting anyway.  TheWho is promoting child abuse.



Ideology:

You support "free speech trumps all," which is very misguided and not even supported by the Constitution.


Woefully misguided and stupid statement:

My thinking is the kind that creates programs.


Conclusion:

You need to reevaluate your positions because on their face they are inconsistent with objective reality.

Don't ever, EVER tell a program survivor what the "need" to do.

 ::both::  ::fuckoff::  ::both::  ::fuckoff::

Don't ever tell ME what to do or not do.  Fuck off.

[Anonymous]

Ideology over reality, the same problem that causes programs.

I think you have some organic problem with discerning the difference.

I am relating the facys, you are espousing an ideology.  you have it backwards.

Facts:  

The Who violated the TOS.  TheWho was banned.  TheWho is now posting anyway.  TheWho is promoting child abuse.

Ok, this is actually a matter of opinion.  He was banned for flooding.....meaning that he just posted the same shit over and over again.  WE do that too, so some of us would be banned if we followed that.

Ideology:

You support "free speech trumps all," which is very misguided and not even supported by the Constitution.

This is a private forum.  Talk to the owner if you don't like how she's runnign things.

Woefully misguided and stupid statement:

My thinking is the kind that creates programs.

The anon (another one, it wasn't me) didn't say that.  What they said was this "Ideology over reality, the same problem that causes programs."  You chose to apply that to yourself.

Conclusion:

You need to reevaluate your positions because on their face they are inconsistent with objective reality.

You need to fuck off.
 :rofl: