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« on: July 07, 2007, 04:37:17 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2007, 05:01:04 PM »
Step 1: Tell her what's about to happen to her if she doesn't disappear into nowhere, now. Odds are she won't actually do that. This can't be iterated enough: you have to tell her, now, and warn her of the abuse to come. This will at least form some sort of shield in her mind if nothing else...

Step 2: Get her parents on Fornits. Now. ISAC works too. Giving various survivors her parents' contact inforation (Psy is an excellent choice, here) and contact information works too.

Basically, let everyone know what they're in for.

Here's the joke of a website this shithole runs: http://www.hephzibahhouse.org/
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2007, 05:22:37 PM »
All I can say is that if the facility was placed in Pakistan or Afganistan your servicemen would receive a young girl strapped with a bomb vest in 15 months ready to blow herself and your servicemen up.

That is the degree of religious brainwash they offer.

As her family you need to contact the social services in her hometown and report to them that this girl is in danger to get her education ruined.

She is too young to be emancipated from her parents (It worked against Turnabout Ranch, but the girl was 16), so the social services is her only hope.
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Re: Help!! Teen getting sent to 15 month program next week
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2007, 07:53:07 PM »
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Can anyone give me any advice on trying to help me prevent sister from sending my 15 year old neice to a 15 month lock up christian progam?It's described as a  "Home for wayward girls" in Winona Lake, Indiana, called Hephzibah House, run by a minister named Ronald E Williams.  The guy is an absolute religious zealous freak who supports child abuse.  My niece doesn't know that in just a few days she's being escorted on a plane and taken to this place.  She's a good kid and this will kill her.  So far the legal advice that I've received is that there is nothing I can do.  Any ideas/advice  would be very much appreciated.  Thanks!!


All I can say is tell your niece immediately and do everything you can to get her out of there.  Help her disappear, no one deserves to be put in a program.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2007, 11:18:35 PM »
Maybe she should go to one of the YMCA's shelter houses -  That might be a safe and legal solution until she and her mom can get all this straightened out and she is safe from any "Program".

If they don't have a YMCA shelter house where she is - they do in Louisville. Probably in Indy too - maybe call around.

If she were a run away - she could go into any "safe place" like a McDonalds for example - and the manager is supposed to call the shelter house if she ask them too. The "safe places" have a dimond shaped yellow sign in the windows saying "safe place"
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2007, 11:33:50 PM »
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Maybe she should go to one of the YMCA's shelter houses -  That might be a safe and legal solution until she and her mom can get all this straightened out and she is safe from any "Program".

If they don't have a YMCA shelter house where she is - they do in Louisville. Probably in Indy too - maybe call around.

If she were a run away - she could go into any "safe place" like a McDonalds for example - and the manager is supposed to call the shelter house if she ask them too. The "safe places" have a dimond shaped yellow sign in the windows saying "safe place"


Not sure what the different state laws are but in most places a minor would be turned over to their parent unless there was major abuse done.  The YMCA, etc would do nothing to protect a 15 yr old.....
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2007, 12:20:36 AM »
Not so - not here. A run away can stay if they will follow some simple rules. One is they must tell the parents where they are. They are not allowed to hide there. But - they will not make a kid go back home until they are ready to. They do offer re-unification therapy for the family; and the kid gets therapy while there - from actual therapist. The kid would have to go to school - they get them enrolled at what ever school the shelter kids attend - it is a Public school. They have to do their home work. They have some regular house hold chore type jobs they have to do - and they also have field trips to the swiming pool or movies and so on. Its a little bit shabby - but not dirty. All in all it might be a very good option. But the kid does have to be a run away. . . it is not a "program" for parents to dump kids in.

Maybe it isn't an option - I am not positive about how they operate now - things do change - but I do feel it might be worth looking into.

Maybe I should be clear - I am not speaking of the regular YMCA. In some cities they have "shelter houses" that are set up to assist run aways and help keep them of the streets - and so safe.  They do not (or at least did not) force a return to home. It is/ was assumed the child needed a safe place besides home for a while, at least.

One could call, explain they had a run away niece - needs a safe alternative to home for a while - can they help - see what they say.
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2007, 05:05:14 PM »
I agree with some of the other posters... Help her disappear.

If her mother is not deterred by reading the words from that scary bastard on his own website, nothing you can say will change things in her mind. If you can, petition for custody and support your niece yourself. If you're not able to... educate her about what goes on in places like this. Warn her, show her fornits and the lists of kids who die. Scare the shit out of her, so that she'll be able to react accordingly. Help her run away - best if it were out of state - even across the country. If you know anyone who can help her start herself on a life of her own, get them to help to. She is going to have to grow up fast and learn how to take care of herself, but that's better than her becoming a broken shell of the person she once was, "a servant to the Lord and Owner of her home and herself."

Please, that's what someone should have done for me.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2007, 05:17:05 PM »
Agree with what Buzzkill and Rachael said.  Are you able to take her on yourself?  

At the least, do your homework, and find out what "safe houses" are in her area, and give her the immediate directions to the facility, or drive her yourself, until something can be worked out with her immediate family (mom).  

I know from my experience, that reacting to my son's behavior, instead of calmly responding, was the wrong thing, and therefore, I made the wrong decision, the biggest one I have ever made.  Don't let that happen to your neice, if at all possible.
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2007, 05:31:20 PM »
I know the program is in Indiana, where does the teen girl live? That might help to find her help.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2007, 06:04:57 PM »
What about the State of Washington?  What are the rules on runaways there?
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2007, 06:10:22 PM »
Something about this situation doesn't "ring" right.  Send someone in to an abusive facility to prove it's abusive then maybe the "mother" will get it?

Come on Kelly.  There's enough info out there to convince anyone that locked faith based schools are bad news.

Here's a thought, why don't YOU take your sister to this place and spend a day with her touring the facility UNANNOUNCED?  This way, your sister confirms it's abusive and if she tries to place the kid anyway, you tell her you will begin court proceedings to challenge her "fitness" as a mother.

Start building a case to get parental rights taken away is your only real hope IMO.
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2007, 06:20:52 PM »
Quote from: ""kellyryan""
Quote from: ""Michael Muldoon""
I know the program is in Indiana, where does the teen girl live? That might help to find her help.

She lives in Oregon but is staying with me in Washington right now.  I'm talking to a lawyer in Oregon tomorrow. It doesn't look like they will be able to stop her mother from sending her.  She's a very "young" 15 and couldn't run away. The shelters return her to her parents within 8 hours anyway.  I guess that what I'd really like is to get this place exposed, find out about abuse going on there.  I think that's about they only way I could convince my sister that she shouldn't go.  Anyone feel like going in as a "spy"?? :-)


Hm... you should probably talk to Buzzkill.  I have a fair knowledge of Christianity, but she probably trumps me in that area.  Tag-teaming them with dual-interviews might work.  She could call him up, and talk to him as a prospective parent (the corporal punishment fanatical wacko kind, etc)... I could then call up as an independent journalist asking questions and see if I can catch him in a lie.

Indiana is a one party consent state in terms of phone call recording so it would be easy to record the call.
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/

As far as a spy in person?  hmmm.. anybody here from Indiana?
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