Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Elan School
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I think this thread only touches upon part of the story (unless this was continued from another thread, I apologize)). I don’t see why the school should be sued. Is there a state law that says parents need to be notified prior to these engagements? Or was the school negligent in getting the child the medical help he needed when it became apparent there was a problem?
I, myself, don’t believe in settling differences in this fashion and would have pulled my child out in a heartbeat if this is how conflict was resolved. I personally find this a very unhealthy way towards conflict resolution. But I also see there is a double standard here. Many posters here don’t seem to have a problem reverting to physical violence as a way to settle disagreements here on the forum. Why do some chid programs when they embrace this same mentality?
If kids were to fight I could see it better supervised then behind a barn somewhere. But the adults/staff, in charge, should encourage a different approach and move away from violence.
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From what I understand about The Ring, Whooter, it's not about two kids squaring off about their differences. It's about Elan deeming it "necessary" for one kid to have the living shit kicked outta him. Said kid's opponents are assigned, each in the ring only a minute or so, before another takes their place. Elan's "Ring" is, quite literally, a veritable gauntlet in the round, so to speak.
Whooter:
If this were true I would pull my child and if my child was involved I would then scour the contract for a “Ring type Clause” (to see if I missed something on my end) and if it were not there I would sue the school for abuse.
The kids who are bullies and appear to be in need of a good ass whipping themselves are the ones who would benefit most from non violent interventions. Beating up a bully or setting them up in a ring to get their ass kicked only makes them worse. Confronting or standing up to a bully in the school yard is a different story.
Reform schools in the 18 and early 1900’s used this method but I didn’t think it still existed. Using a boxing ring to allow kids to settle their differences safely is one thing (which I personally still don’t approve of), but what you suggest is happening at Elan is abusive.
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DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---If this were true I would pull my child and if my child was involved I would then scour the contract for a “Ring type Clause” (to see if I missed something on my end) and if it were not there I would sue the school for abuse.
The kids who are bullies and appear to be in need of a good ass whipping themselves are the ones who would benefit most from non violent interventions. Beating up a bully or setting them up in a ring to get their ass kicked only makes them worse. Confronting or standing up to a bully in the school yard is a different story.
Reform schools in the 18 and early 1900’s used this method but I didn’t think it still existed. Using a boxing ring to allow kids to settle their differences safely is one thing (which I personally still don’t approve of), but what you suggest is happening at Elan is abusive.
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Whooter,
Dude I respect what you have to say whether I agree with it or not, but on this subject I would ask of you to do alot of study and reading on Elan and the boxing ring.
Abusive would be a kind understatement to say the least. You can not even imagine in your wildest dreams what went on inside those houses.
Danny
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Paul St. John:
That was my thinking. It would be an invalid contract, for sure. I learned that in 8th grade. lol
The place is still in existence. And this is only a part of the tortures that they put people through.
Paul
Paul St. John:
--- Quote from: "xres8182" ---Hello,my name is Jim. I stopped posting here awhile back for obvious reasons. I just wanted to let you know that when I was in Elan nobody was notified when a ring event happened. I witnessed my friend Phil Williams' death as a result of a brain aneurysm immediately following one of these "rings'. It was very disturbing. He didn't even have parents to call. Actually that is only partly true,but I don't think the state prison takes calls from Elan. I don't know when they started calling parents to approve rings. It seems crazy that parents would approve such actions against their own children.
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For the life of me, I can't figure out how these people live with themselves.
Paul
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