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Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" --- I am sure people feel bad enough in cases like this.
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That is not true. IF that were true programs would be shut down willingly and staff would not try and cover up their murderous behavior. How can you people live with yourself supporting an ideology that is designed to hurt kids and sometimes kill them? You have no shame.
Deborah:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Lawsuits are all about differences of perspective and opinion in which a third party is sought out to make a decision based on evidence and past outcomes in an attempt to settle a dispute.
We need to wait for a decision on this.
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Have you seen the police report? Apparently there are more facts than have been reported. I can't imagine his mother would fabricate the claim that:
--- Quote ---the counselors refused to administer his bipolar medication and he exhibited severe withdrawal symptoms. On the day he died, he supposedly laid unconscious and vomiting for fifteen minutes before he was given any medical aid by the staff.
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Think she just pulled that out of thin air?
Why did LSE refuse to administer his bipolar medication?
Which drug was it? What are the warnings about sudden withdrawal for that drug?
Was his mother and/or pdoc informed that he would be denied his drug?
Did they sign a release to approve his withdrawal?
Who was supervising the withdrawal?
Was he vomitting before or after the "death rattle" was observed?
--- Quote ---“Anon LSE staff” was there, has first hand knowledge and can shed more light on what transpired than any of us can.
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Hardly. S/he was not there when it happened, according to his/her account of events, therefore is not a first-hand witness. S/he shook his hand that day and didn't arrive on the scene until after there was a medical emergency.
--- Quote ---We piled into about 3 vehicles and drove like bats outta hell to get there.
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Where are the other staff/teens who witnessed this first-hand? They would know better, and are most likely the ones who were interviewed by law enforcement/EMTs.
Oz girl:
Why would anyone who did not study medicine for 7 years be arrogant or retarded enough to unilaterally decide to take anyone off a medically prescribed drug? What kind of training or induction sessions would even give somebody the harebrained notion that this is acceptable or wise?
TheWho:
--- Quote ---Where are the other staff/teens who witnessed this first-hand? They would know better, and are most likely the ones who were interviewed by law enforcement/EMTs.
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Exactly my point, we need to listen to everyones account of what happened, not just the negative reports.
I have no idea what happened up there, so we need to listen to all the people who were and not dismiss their stories. Since it is going to court there will be more focus on the details and events that lead up to the boys death that day.
TheWho:
Oz Girl wrote:
--- Quote --- A remarkable amount of kids who are 15 years old or thereabouts seem to have heart attacks at wilderness. This is a cause of death I had not ever heard of in teens before i came across this sordid excuse for an industry. The fist defence is always it seems "natural causes".
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OzGirl, it is actually more common than people think. I believe you may view it as a problem unique to the wilderness programs because any negativity towards the industry seems to find its way into the fornits forum. What goes unreported here are all the children dieing from heart attacks outside the industry.
Here are a few examples:
http://www.gamespot.com/arcade/action/d ... 01687.html
http://www.thestar.com/article/165392
http://www.gothamist.com/2007/02/14/whats_worse_tha.php
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