Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Split from ASR: Private School or RTC
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---Agreed!! The child needs to be place in the ?Least restrictive environment?, for some this is a therapists office for others it is a lock down psych or jail.
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And, again, I'll use your kid as an example. You've stated many times that your daughter had no psychiatric disorder and was not diagnosed as having any psychological problems.
So, my question is "What's the least restrictive environment for kids who carry no psychiatric diagnosis and therefore need no 'treatment' for such?"
See, by definition kids carrying no diagnosis need no treatment. How do you explain coerced psychological treatment for those with no mental hygiene issues?
Also, you generalize when you say any kid can walk out of any TBS at any time without restraint or coercion. That is a false statement, Who. Demonstrably false. Again, this is why nobody listens to your POV.
TheWho:
--- Quote ---And, again, I'll use your kid as an example. You've stated many times that your daughter had no psychiatric disorder and was not diagnosed as having any psychological problems.
So, my question is "What's the least restrictive environment for kids who carry no psychiatric diagnosis and therefore need no 'treatment' for such?"
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I refer this to the child?s psychologist or therapist. I believe as a parent you need to start at the local level and try to work with a therapist as one of the initial steps for your child. For some children the least restrictive would be a home environment for others it would require a more restrictive setting. For my daughter the TBS was a good balance for her and worked out well and was the least restrictive path we could have taken.
If a child doesn?t need treatment then there is no action needed.
--- Quote ---Also, you generalize when you say any kid can walk out of any TBS at any time without restraint or coercion. That is a false statement, Who. Demonstrably false. Again, this is why nobody listens to your POV.
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Calm down, we are in the ASR thread, DJ, but you are right we wouldn?t want to make the statement or jump to the assumption that all TBS?s are the same would we? (wink) At least you didn?t point your finger and yell liar, liar. This is a more civil discussion.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---If a child doesn?t need treatment then there is no action needed.
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"Needs treatment" means "has been diagnosed with a quantifiable mental illness." If no diagnosed disorder, no treatment of any kind is needed.
What was your daughter's psychiatric diagnosis for which she required extremely restrictive (residential) treatment?
If they carry no diagnosis from a professional, what are they being "treated" for?
How can the least restrictive environment for someone with no diagnosis be out of home placement?
How do you justify forcing patients into treatment even though they have never been diagnosed with any disorder?
If, by professional standards, only kids (or people in general) need out of home placement if they are a danger to themselves or others (i.e. tried to kill self or other), how is it justified that kids are sent to out of home placements for no psychiatric reasons whatsoever?
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""Dysfunction Junction"" ---
--- Quote ---If a child doesn?t need treatment then there is no action needed.
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"Needs treatment" means "has been diagnosed with a quantifiable mental illness." If no diagnosed disorder, no treatment of any kind is needed.
What was your daughter's psychiatric diagnosis for which she required extremely restrictive (residential) treatment?
If they carry no diagnosis from a professional, what are they being "treated" for?
How can the least restrictive environment for someone with no diagnosis be out of home placement?
How do you justify forcing patients into treatment even though they have never been diagnosed with any disorder?
If, by professional standards, only kids (or people in general) need out of home placement if they are a danger to themselves or others (i.e. tried to kill self or other), how is it justified that kids are sent to out of home placements for no psychiatric reasons whatsoever?
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Many of these kids are ?at risk? and have gotten off track. To wait until they are in their mid-twenties to be diagnosed with a mental illness or addicted to heroin, HIV , missed education or worse before taking action is an antiquated approach at best. The schools offer a proactive approach. I realize the importance for many people to label others and the need to have a mental illness in order to get services or help. But there are parents with kids who need a little help to get them back on track. Some may have clinical disorders some may not, the kids are presently not responding to local solutions so further steps are needed. Services which require the child to be away from the home and placed in a safe environment where they can focus on their issues without interfering outside stimuli and also further their education.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---But there are parents with kids who need a little help to get them back on track.
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It's called "parenting." You should try it sometime.
Of course local resources can't help a kid that has nothing wrong with them. Adolescence is not a pathology to be treated.
I can see you being turned away for demanding that someone take custody of your kid and force her into therapy even though she has no diagnosable disorder. I'd say "Looks like you're the one who needs some help there, Dad. Kid tests out as normal in every respect. There's no way I'll treat your kid just because you said so and you'll pay top dollar for it!"
This is where ASR steps in. They will treat your kid based on no diagnosis and force her to participate in therapy several times a week and punish her as a matter of routine simply because you said so and will pay top dollar for it.
It's immoral, unethical and should be illegal.
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