Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Split from ASR: Private School or RTC
TheWho:
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--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---I am not making excuses, just indicating that if abuse occurred the kids would tell their parents, if at anytime when they got home, if that is where they felt safer. The relationship between parents and child is much more open and honest after the family goes thru some of these processes that these types of things would be openly discussed, just stands to reason.
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None of that can be assumed or proven. One can NOT assume their child will tell them anything about the program after 12-24 months of intense daily conditioning.
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Deborah, you watch the news every day like the rest of us. You seriously believe that these places abuse and rape our kids for decades and no one says anything? It might be believable if they came home and worshiped the schools like some cult and handed out fliers at the airport, but they don?t. Most kids do very well but others hated the place, still others may be indifferent and just want to move on, still others didn?t do good. But what they all have in common is that they were not abused or they would jump at the chance to stick it to their old school or the guy that raped them or show their parents that it wasn?t such a great investment etc. Of the tens of thousands that graduated you would think some would step forward and expose them. !00% of these kids (that apply) are accepted into college and most take advantage and move onto very good schools. With all this education you think these kids, some in government power positions now, would allow this to continue unchecked and unregulated?
I think it was milk that might had mentioned the counselors probably receive the physical and emotion abuse not the kids.
Oz girl:
Sure this is what happened in the Catholic system for a good 40 years! Not to mention all the Old boys and girls who claimed being belted every day by the jesuits was not abuse. Sound familiar. then sure enough surprise surprise it was discovered that a system which was cloistered and secretive allowed sexual abuse. What a surprise. Oh put this could never happen in a secular "therapeutic" system :rofl: :rofl: :roll:
Deborah:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Deborah"" ---
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---I am not making excuses, just indicating that if abuse occurred the kids would tell their parents, if at anytime when they got home, if that is where they felt safer. The relationship between parents and child is much more open and honest after the family goes thru some of these processes that these types of things would be openly discussed, just stands to reason.
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None of that can be assumed or proven. One can NOT assume their child will tell them anything about the program after 12-24 months of intense daily conditioning.
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Deborah, you watch the news every day like the rest of us. You seriously believe that these places abuse and rape our kids for decades and no one says anything?
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Indeed I do. It's unfortunate these attrocities don't make the nightly news. Most never even make it into the local paper. You might see a TV report on a death, but rare. The day-to-day abuses, rapes? Won't happen.
--- Quote ---It might be believable if they came home and worshiped the schools like some cult and handed out fliers at the airport, but they don?t.
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Some do, like the young women (grads) I saw posting on a 39 year old male therapist's MySpace account. I looovvveee you, I misss you, I neeeedd you. I'll call you on your cell. Some actually go back as staff after being convinced that the program saved their lives. Actually, I think they want their turn playing sadist with defenseless teens.
--- Quote ---But what they all have in common is that they were not abused or they would jump at the chance to stick it to their old school or the guy that raped them or show their parents that it wasn?t such a great investment etc. Of the tens of thousands that graduated you would think some would step forward and expose them.
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You're very much out of touch. Lawsuits have been filed, partly responsible for the demise of CEDU. The average minor who exits a program doesn't have the knowledge or resource to persue a lawsuit, and will play hell convincing their parent of what happened inside the program. And unfortunately, there is some number of parents who would actually condone the abuse as long as they received a stepford child in return.
--- Quote ---!00% of these kids (that apply) are accepted into college and most take advantage and move onto very good schools.
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100%? Cite that. You clearly haven't studied this industry. Read MySpace, read Fornits. Notice how many flunk out of college because the are ill prepared. How many kids exit programs and go directly to college anyway? My son was 5 credits behind his peers when he returned from his 'college prep' TBS. Had to attend summer school in order to graduate with his class. Hey, in case you haven't heard, damn near anyone can go to college these days. Just read recently that there are kids without a diploma or GED getting in.
--- Quote ---With all this education you think these kids, some in government power positions now, would allow this to continue unchecked and unregulated?
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You sh0uld spend more time reading here and less time typing about things you know nothing about. There are a few who post here who are persuing a degree in the legal field and hope to use that education against the industry.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---TheWho said:
The parents know their own child? if the kid is being raped or abused by half the counselors she can just say ?Look Mom, the counselors are full of crap, they are raping me, come get me tonight or I am going to walk away on my own, you can find me at the local police station or hospital, goodbye?
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Which telephone are they supposed to use for this function, Who? THEY AREN'T ALLOWED TO REPORT ABUSE OR EVEN TO USE A TELEPHONE AT ALL. This is the part you're missing.
TheWho:
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--- Quote ---TheWho said:
The parents know their own child? if the kid is being raped or abused by half the counselors she can just say ?Look Mom, the counselors are full of crap, they are raping me, come get me tonight or I am going to walk away on my own, you can find me at the local police station or hospital, goodbye?
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Which telephone are they supposed to use for this function, Who? THEY AREN'T ALLOWED TO REPORT ABUSE OR EVEN TO USE A TELEPHONE AT ALL. This is the part you're missing.
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I take it you dont know much about ASR. My daughter called every week, she could tell me then or walk down to the center of town and use the phone at the store.
If they were in wilderness they could call the cops when they get out, it only takes one kid getting raped to shut the place down, even as a minimum for an investigation.
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