WWASP Experiences

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psy:

--- Quote from: "james fallone" ---I think fornits is worse than any program really, having seen both.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Right.... And we lock you up in the Hobbit here? LOL. Force you to lay in the ground for hours at a time? Restrain you? LOL. Lie to and brainwash your parents (yes, LGAT seminars are brainwashing)? Don't take it from me. Listen to what a few parents have to say:

http://www.insidersview.info/canitrustthem.htm

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "james fallone" ---I can honestly say WWASP saved my life. I was mad when I first was sent and even when I got out, but I learned over time after talking to my parents in depth about their choice why it really was their only option in dealing with me. I suppose I'm different from the few bitter alumni who post here because my parents really loved me, and weren't just using the program to abandon me. I did some bad things, and was not a helpful member of our family. I learned that if I wanted and deserved respect and love, I had to earn it. I feel bad for the people who's parents just left them in the program for no reason, but you can't blame WWASP for that, it sounds like a family problem. I know this isn't a popular opinion around here, but it's the God honest truth. I know for a fact if my parents had not intervened in my life, I would of ended up a bad person, and who knows where I'd be today, probably in a gutter with a needle in my arm. I don't think I"m going to go into detail though- I've read this forum and see how you people love to tear each other apart. I think fornits is worse than any program really, having seen both.
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I take you at your word James & am genuinely glad to hear it went well for you in the end. One philosophy I just don't get though is that a parent's love has to be earned. As a teenager I was not always an angel & came to eventually regret some of the grey hairs I gave my parents, but it was my wider family & my parents unconditional love that was in the long run what prevented me from ever falling through the cracks. I would agree that when kids mess up they need to prove themselves in order to win back a parent's trust, this is part of growing up. I should add that this process cant take place from a lock down facility. But parental love should not be earned, it is unconditional.

Miss Antsy Pam:

--- Quote from: "psy" ---
--- Quote from: "james fallone" ---I think fornits is worse than any program really, having seen both.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Right.... And we lock you up in the Hobbit here? LOL. Force you to lay in the ground for hours at a time? Restrain you? LOL. Lie to and brainwash your parents (yes, LGAT seminars are brainwashing)? Don't take it from me. Listen to what a few parents have to say:

http://www.insidersview.info/canitrustthem.htm
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Hello James,

I have also seen both sides and have to agree with Psy. Although I have been torn to shred on these forums, you can't compare Fornits to a program. That statement in itself is ridiculous! You can always walk away from your computer and internet connection. Fornits is the epitome of FREE SPEECH...if you don't like what you see, why come back?

If you think the program helped you, that is good for you. Maybe you are one of the people that fall into the 98% success rate most of these programs claim. I do not think it is a stretch to say that the bulk of survivors would NOT agree with you. We don't see many of that 98%, but maybe YOU are the exception and fall into that success rate??

As a parent of a former WWASP detainee of 60 days, I DO NOT agree with you, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. The amount of damage that can be done to an individual psyche in a short time can take YEARS to get over..if you ever DO get over it. I believe that ANY time spent in these programs can do irreparable damage to one's sense of self.

Which school were you in anyway and for how long???

FemanonFatal2.0:
I'm not going to tear you apart and I want give you a chance to prove the validity of your claims so please don't take this as an attack, but a healthy debate on this subject ok?...[/size]

--- Quote from: "james fallone" ---I did some bad things, and was not a helpful member of our family.

I know for a fact if my parents had not intervened in my life, I would of ended up a bad person, and who knows where I'd be today, probably in a gutter with a needle in my arm.
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What exactly were your parents reasonings? Was it because you were "so out of control" and they tried EVERYTHING before they placed you in the program. Or was it because you cant exactly lock yourself up, and they assumed you wouldn't be willing to sign yourself into treatment. What exactly convinced them that the only way to save your life is to have you locked up?

I would really like to know what kinds of "bad things" you were doing that were signs (to your family and even to you) that would have inevitably landed you "in a gutter with a needle in your arm" were you as a teen anywhere close to abusing and addicted to drugs? Or were you simply "headed down that road"? Do you honestly believe that in the however many months or years you spent in a program you could have gotten yourself in enough trouble to significantly alter your path in life? DO you honestly believe that you would have NEVER matured out of the teenage phase without the strict guidance of a program? If you truly did attend the program and are not just a troll you should agree that a lot of ways the program operated was not only unnecessary but harmful. You cant tell me that the isolation and restraining techniques were in any way helpful to kids, even if it wasn't you who was being abused, you can't tell me that those kids deserved it and needed it in order to not end up a "bad person" and even if your program avoided any physical abuse, that doesn't mean that the mind games and human rights violations and separation from family and friends was "good" for any of us. Honestly I think people like you just get the fact that you were sent to a place that gave you time to think and mature as a reason to excuse the program of the CRIMES they commit. Which I dont really understand... so please explain your reason to do so.

I did bad things when I was young too, I fucked up and I was surely not a helpful member of my family (lol) but I am well aware that I was just being a rebellious teenager and I have ALWAYS been smart enough not to lead myself down a path of destruction, I didnt end up with a needle in my arm and I wouldn't have if I didnt go to the program either. I don't understand why you don't give YOURSELF the credit for maturing and becoming a successful adult, why is your strength somehow attributed to the oppression you received in the program, and furthermore why do you think its okay to just ignore the overwelming evidence that these programs are truly harmful just because you grew up?... we all grew up and we have ourselves and ourselves only to thank for that. Since the dawn of time teenagers have been growing up and none of them needed a private institution to teach them to do so, its life that teaches us these lessons and if you didn't learn them as a teen you will learn them as an adult, all the program did was hit the pause button on your life for a while and had you not gone to the program you would have ended up the same.

Your way of thinking is VERY similar to Stolkholm Syndrome, you just refuse to see the abuse as bad as long as you didnt end up more effd up in the end... maybe perhaps if you had been one of those kids who was often dragged into the OP and tortured for days on end you might sing a different song, but what surprises me is that you are willing to ignore the evidence that the program does these things to other kids just because it may not have happened to you. And if it has, and you still feel this way I can only hope you get help, that's like the girls who are molested as kids and say that they liked it because it made them into a woman. or the women who stay with abusive husbands because the fact that he hits her makes her feel like he cares about her. This is no different, and it also explains why MANY of the women who get released from these places quickly fall into abusive relationships with men. I really hope that you can take a minute to think all this over, please realize that there is a big difference between your individual success and the notion that the program is an acceptable system to be subjecting teenagers to.

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