Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Mission Mountain School
Sex and MMS
Oz girl:
If your home life was deeply troubled then i am not sure where or how you could have recieved proper guidance either. But as someone who is trying to get my head around why such an industry flourishes, the question i always have at the front of my mind is why anyone thinks that a punitive approach is the best one? How did it work for you in a way that real counselling could not?
Even if a person survives and goes on to do pretty well, as you have done, how are such extreme measures against someone who is legally a minor and not always in criminal trouble justifiable morally or practically?
As far as I am aware mms (correct me if i am wrong) does not have similar LGAT therapy sessions for it's parents the way it does for kids. At least WWASPS for all of its henious abuses and faults asneds the parents off to its crazy seminars as well. How can mms defend putting kids through therapudic horrors that neither its parents or senior staff are put through?
Kerrybear:
When did this forum become a place to analyze specifically Betsy??
We all went there. It was different for all of us. Having gone there when Betsy was a student, I can honestly say that from hearing where she came from, MMS was probably a better place for her. With the support that she needed.
Aside from Betsy, I myself did not have a good experience with mms. I thought that the staff were abusive and cruel. I had more bad with certain staff and good memories from others. Overall, my experience has made me who I am today. That is the one good thing about that time in my life.
I agree that this forum is a good place to vent. I think unfairly targeting someone just because of their opinion is childish. Kind of reminds me of MMS.
Though I have my own opinions about MMS, I would hope that since we have all been there, that should be something that links us, not divides us. We all had some type of trauma or difficult childhoods. Adolecence for us was not easy. All of our parents thought this was the best place for us. And now it is part of ALL of our pasts.
The best place to direct any residual anger would be towards the people who ran the school, not towards each other.
And for me and Betsy, this was over ten years ago. We have all grown up and on since then. Obviously it was a huge part of our lives, but let's accept it and talk about it and support each other people!!!
Kerrybear:
To the Guest who asked "Is abuse a subjective issue?"
Yes I think it is.
If you are living in a hut, in a third world country, some of the things that make up your daily life would be considered unsanitary, unfit for people by American standards.
I can tell you that I grew up in a house with parents that loved me and used spanking as a form of punishment. I don't consider that abuse but some people would. My parents love me, support me and provided me with a base to gain some self esteem. I chose to ignore them and push them away.
Some people are in families that do not love and support. The people who are supposed to be the protectors and caregivers turn on them and treat them badly. I believe that it is possible to be abused later on and not even realize it because it is better than what you came from. Perhaps, like in the case of mms, what we would consider abusive, some consider helpful.
I do not think that the staff intentionally abused the students. But depending on where you came from, it could be interpreted differently.
And for the guest who doesn't like my spelling, I'm fucking lucky I graduated from college after MMS. I'm proud of my accomplishments. So spelling and grammer don't seem as important to me as being a strong, opinionated, EDUCATED woman. Thanks for the input though.
Anonymous:
Kerry,
I believe you meant grammar. I am glad you came out of that school stronger. Tina Turner came away from Ike with some strength once she recovered from the damage. That is one way to look at it.
Maybe I will go cruise the domestic violence courts and turn in my man for one who is going to ' make me strong'.
katfish:
--- Quote from: ""Kerrybear"" ---To the Guest who asked "Is abuse a subjective issue?"
Yes I think it is.
--- End quote ---
Then you would be mostly innaccurate, thankfully we have certain criteria that objectively asses mistreatment. I think trauma is more subjective:
http://www.sidran.org/whatistrauma.html
--- Quote from: ""Kerrybear"" ---Perhaps, like in the case of mms, what we would consider abusive, some consider helpful.
--- End quote ---
Again, thankfully this type of situation can be assesed and we can recognize that abuse, -even if a person calls it help, abuse remains in fact abuse. Just like battered wife syndrome- these women stay and will defend their abusive spouse relentlessly...but we know all about this and still recognize it as abuse, despite the victims denial of calling it as such.
--- Quote from: ""Kerrybear"" --- I do not think that the staff intentionally abused the students.
--- End quote ---
Really? you think this while including John as staff...? not that intent really matters, I 'guess... but perhaps you're right. John may be far too narcasisstic to really address the fact that he is not qualified and ignorant
... and yet I highly doubt that he doesn't not know that what he's donig is nothing much beyond mistreated girls- I really doubt that he is oblivious to this- he feeds off power and rendered us powerless, so how could he possibly (being such a power hungry person) not know what it's like to be depleted of your power, not be conscious of this when he worked so hard to prevent the creation of an environment of empowerment?
Can't imagine how on earth this would ever be perceived by him as an environment that fostered growth.
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