says honesty,"You claim this and that, but have never proven anything. So lets start talking about the facts Mr.Dysfunction Junction. Anyone can make claims, You have to prove them and you have not. "
You assert that Daytop works. You are a spokesperson for the object that is Daytop. It is actually up to you to prove your side. As a matter of fact, everybody else could just sit back and watch if they so chose, because they have no obligation to disprove efficacy of Daytop. The obligation of proof is entirely on you. You offer all your proof that the program is in fact efficient, and then discussion can begin from there. First you have to prove it. then y6ou have to defend your position against rational scrunity, and if you are not prepared to do this, you may as well just move on with your life.
0n a sidenote, I couldn't persanally care less, if you prove that some people find their sobriety through TC's or Daytop.
I would like to see you prove that Daytop is an overall benefit reguardless of whether a person continues to use drugs or not, to the majority of it's participants.
I would like to see it proven that a person leaves daytop with more honesty then they enterred, to steal from your name.
I would like to see it proven that people leave Daytop better off then they went in.
If it has an overall positive effect on it's participants, then it is good and to steal from Daytop terminology, valid.
If not, then it is bad and unnecessary.
I am not only interested in whatever benefits that may come from participating in a Daytop program, but also at what cost those benefits come.
Also, I would like to be told not what the principles of Daytop or a TC are, but why they work, and what their purpose is. These explanations should either be sound and clearly logical, and obvious , so that anyone can understand them, or still sound and logical, but also backed by evidence.
I would like to see this done without refraining to contradictions, mysterious dead end concepts, usage of words such as "babies", and dopefienes. Everything should be backed with sound logic.
You cannot do it, and this is because it is impossible to do. I have seen counselors try a few times, 'til they would finally get too frustrated and go into emotional outbursts, and then attack the motive of the person who made the inquiry.
I say that the TC model is severly and disgustingly outdated, and your mind has to be knumb in quite a few places in order to practice it.
All the same anyone who wishes can join a TC or run around touting their benefits. Hell you can build your own TC if you want, or jerk off to a statue of the monsignor. None of it is of concern to me. What bothers me is that teenager's are forcefully held in these places. It would bother me to if adults were forcefull held in these places, but that does not happenned, as the rights of an adult are protected.
Later,
Paul St. Jophn