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History question
Anonymous:
Thread starter here. Thanks to all who posted whether pro, anti or ambivalent about Hyde.
I have some vague recollection of Malcolm and Joe both saying that the son sided against the father at some point during the upheaval. I admit this is a fuzzy memory, but Legg's impact on Hyde's history always fascinated me.
Anyone want to venture any insights into why Joe's selling of Hyde in the early years came across as so high profile, but after he came back he took a more to-the-ground approach?
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Thread starter here. Thanks to all who posted whether pro, anti or ambivalent about Hyde.
I have some vague recollection of Malcolm and Joe both saying that the son sided against the father at some point during the upheaval. I admit this is a fuzzy memory, but Legg's impact on Hyde's history always fascinated me.
Anyone want to venture any insights into why Joe's selling of Hyde in the early years came across as so high profile, but after he came back he took a more to-the-ground approach?
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It's hard to know whether they (Malcolm, Laura, et al.) negotiated the nature of Joe's involvement. I wasn't associated with Hyde until I enrolled my child recently. At the time I knew nothing about Joe Gauld. Now that I've seen him in action (about 8 presentations) I'm quite appalled. He strikes me as a classic example of a megalomaniac, someone who is enthralled with himself and has a need to offer the grand performance. I hear him repeat the same stories over and over and I'm fascinated with the way Joe alternates between the avuncular grandpa and the raging maniac. Now that I've gotten a strong sense of his modus operandi, I think he's got some serious internal demons and unresolved issues. I don't think anyone could behave in such a self-centered, cocky, arrogant, angry and dismissive way unless there's an awful lot of pathology bubbling inside. It takes my breath away to think that he was at Hyde's helm for so long. Then again, it helps me to better understand why so many people are disgusted with Hyde (of course, the groupies love Joe because they seem desperate for the dictator to run their lives). Seeing Joe in action makes my family feel all that much better about our decision to leave Hyde and look for greener pastures.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Thread starter here. Thanks to all who posted whether pro, anti or ambivalent about Hyde.
I have some vague recollection of Malcolm and Joe both saying that the son sided against the father at some point during the upheaval. I admit this is a fuzzy memory, but Legg's impact on Hyde's history always fascinated me.
Anyone want to venture any insights into why Joe's selling of Hyde in the early years came across as so high profile, but after he came back he took a more to-the-ground approach?
--- End quote ---
It's hard to know whether they (Malcolm, Laura, et al.) negotiated the nature of Joe's involvement. I wasn't associated with Hyde until I enrolled my child recently. At the time I knew nothing about Joe Gauld. Now that I've seen him in action (about 8 presentations) I'm quite appalled. He strikes me as a classic example of a megalomaniac, someone who is enthralled with himself and has a need to offer the grand performance. I hear him repeat the same stories over and over and I'm fascinated with the way Joe alternates between the avuncular grandpa and the raging maniac. Now that I've gotten a strong sense of his modus operandi, I think he's got some serious internal demons and unresolved issues. I don't think anyone could behave in such a self-centered, cocky, arrogant, angry and dismissive way unless there's an awful lot of pathology bubbling inside. It takes my breath away to think that he was at Hyde's helm for so long. Then again, it helps me to better understand why so many people are disgusted with Hyde (of course, the groupies love Joe because they seem desperate for the dictator to run their lives). Seeing Joe in action makes my family feel all that much better about our decision to leave Hyde and look for greener pastures.
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What about the Rice report?
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Frederick W. Burnside"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Joe left first.
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I'm a former student from the early 1970s. I obviously wasn't there at the time, but from what I heard from students who were, Ed engineered Joe's departure in a sort of coup d'état. This quickly backfired and the whole place imploded with a professional headmaster brought in and the Hyde philosophy jettisoned.
My personal view was always that Joe was absolutely crackers with an enormous ego, but sincere. Ed Legg was highly intelligent, but power hungry, arrogant and insincere.
Subsequently, I worked in Hong Kong in early 1985 with a recent college graduate from Bowdoin, small world, who's mother was brought in by the Board in the early 1980s to help evaluate Hyde School. Her surname was Ring and I believe she was a professor of education at Bowdoin. In any event, as I recall from several conversations with her daughter this individual spent a great deal of time interviewing Joe and Ed. She and the board concluded that Hyde was enormously destructive and if it wasn't shut down then Joe had to to go. She viewed him as unstable and thought the Hyde environment was extremely unhealthy for children of any description.
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I would have to agree with that accessment. Joe and Ed were like reverse image harliquins of each other. I personally like Joe, but I knew how to tip toe around him. Some of the people that did not got slammed pretty hard and hate him.. I can not blame them for that. Ed was/(is) an asshole in my book. I had a very bad experiance with his duplicity. He was a user par excelance.
Please flame me for my spelling. It is 7:00am CST( c as in china) and i just ran 6 miles. too lazy to spell check.
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sorry I mean Ring
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Frederick W. Burnside"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Joe left first.
--- End quote ---
I'm a former student from the early 1970s. I obviously wasn't there at the time, but from what I heard from students who were, Ed engineered Joe's departure in a sort of coup d'état. This quickly backfired and the whole place imploded with a professional headmaster brought in and the Hyde philosophy jettisoned.
My personal view was always that Joe was absolutely crackers with an enormous ego, but sincere. Ed Legg was highly intelligent, but power hungry, arrogant and insincere.
Subsequently, I worked in Hong Kong in early 1985 with a recent college graduate from Bowdoin, small world, who's mother was brought in by the Board in the early 1980s to help evaluate Hyde School. Her surname was Ring and I believe she was a professor of education at Bowdoin. In any event, as I recall from several conversations with her daughter this individual spent a great deal of time interviewing Joe and Ed. She and the board concluded that Hyde was enormously destructive and if it wasn't shut down then Joe had to to go. She viewed him as unstable and thought the Hyde environment was extremely unhealthy for children of any description.
--- End quote ---
I would have to agree with that accessment. Joe and Ed were like reverse image harliquins of each other. I personally like Joe, but I knew how to tip toe around him. Some of the people that did not got slammed pretty hard and hate him.. I can not blame them for that. Ed was/(is) an asshole in my book. I had a very bad experiance with his duplicity. He was a user par excelance.
Please flame me for my spelling. It is 7:00am CST( c as in china) and i just ran 6 miles. too lazy to spell check.
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sorry I mean Ring
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This assessment sounds like it's right on the money, that is that the consultant "and the board concluded that Hyde was enormously destructive and if it wasn't shut down then Joe had to to go. She viewed him as unstable and thought the Hyde environment was extremely unhealthy for children of any description." I don't know the date of this report, but it seems remarkably relevant to the Hyde of today. It sounds like people recognized years ago that Joe is unstable and destructive. That's not news to me at all, nor to many other people associated with Hyde. I'm amazed that the implosion hasn't yet happened. Maybe Hyde is sinking under its own weight.
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