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History question
Anonymous:
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One of the very best ways to understand the Hyde culture is to take a close look at which staff have stayed for years and which have left the school after relatively brief stays. I think you'll see a clear pattern. It's well known that many Hyde staff don't stay long. Based on my recent affiliation with Hyde (several years) I've noticed that many staff are very young and eager; the good ones seem to leave (in my estimation, often it's because they realize that Hyde is not a healthy environment for many people). The staff who stay seem to have a lot in common. Many seem to have their own histories of significant struggles and cling to Hyde for security and comfort. They have nursed from Joe Gauld's breast, so to speak, and have a very hard time separating. They have absorbed the Gauld mystique and feel compelled to impose it on everyone who walks through Hyde's doors-students, parents, staff, etc. That's how Hyde has developed this cult reputation, which is widespread. That's why Hyde's antiquated approach is being left in the dust by other schools that have much more enlightened approaches to this kind of student body. That's why many educational consultants won't refer to Hyde; there are too many good alternatives.
That seems to be a common thread running through all of these places. The basic model for this came from Synanon (although I'm not sure that any direct link can be traced the whole model of treatment is a chapter right out of Chuck Dederich's grand plan. Cult all have the same basic characteristics. See if any of this is familiar...
http://www.ex-cult.org/bite.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/singer-conditions
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/lifton-criteria
Much of what the Hyde PR machine touts sounds very good in theory. And, I'll concede that during my time at Hyde I met some genuinely committed, dedicated professionals. But there's no doubt in my mind that when you look at the big picture at Hyde you find so many examples of poorly qualified staff who mistreat students, staff who don't come close to living up to the Hyde ideals. There are so many problems at Hyde that the nice sounding literature and speeches are misleading. The good stories that come out of Hyde (I know there are some) are completely overshadowed by the tidal wave of bad stories.
Hyde reminds me a lot of what happened to Karl Marx's vision. On paper the model sounds quite good. But the implementation has been so flawed (see the former Soviet Union and China) that the system can't survive or live up to the ideals. Sounds like Hyde to me.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Let's get back to a more intelligent, meaningful subject.
--- End quote ---
One of the very best ways to understand the Hyde culture is to take a close look at which staff have stayed for years and which have left the school after relatively brief stays. I think you'll see a clear pattern. It's well known that many Hyde staff don't stay long. Based on my recent affiliation with Hyde (several years) I've noticed that many staff are very young and eager; the good ones seem to leave (in my estimation, often it's because they realize that Hyde is not a healthy environment for many people). The staff who stay seem to have a lot in common. Many seem to have their own histories of significant struggles and cling to Hyde for security and comfort. They have nursed from Joe Gauld's breast, so to speak, and have a very hard time separating. They have absorbed the Gauld mystique and feel compelled to impose it on everyone who walks through Hyde's doors-students, parents, staff, etc. That's how Hyde has developed this cult reputation, which is widespread. That's why Hyde's antiquated approach is being left in the dust by other schools that have much more enlightened approaches to this kind of student body. That's why many educational consultants won't refer to Hyde; there are too many good alternatives.
That seems to be a common thread running through all of these places. The basic model for this came from Synanon (although I'm not sure that any direct link can be traced the whole model of treatment is a chapter right out of Chuck Dederich's grand plan. Cult all have the same basic characteristics. See if any of this is familiar...
http://www.ex-cult.org/bite.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/singer-conditions
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/lifton-criteria
Much of what the Hyde PR machine touts sounds very good in theory. And, I'll concede that during my time at Hyde I met some genuinely committed, dedicated professionals. But there's no doubt in my mind that when you look at the big picture at Hyde you find so many examples of poorly qualified staff who mistreat students, staff who don't come close to living up to the Hyde ideals. There are so many problems at Hyde that the nice sounding literature and speeches are misleading. The good stories that come out of Hyde (I know there are some) are completely overshadowed by the tidal wave of bad stories.
Hyde reminds me a lot of what happened to Karl Marx's vision. On paper the model sounds quite good. But the implementation has been so flawed (see the former Soviet Union and China) that the system can't survive or live up to the ideals. Sounds like Hyde to me.
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I think you've stated it beautifully and accurately: Hyde sounds good in theory, but the school's attempt to implement the ideal falls terribly short. There are so many chinks in Hyde's armour (quality of staff, inferior educational quality, simplistic interventions with troubled students, arrogance) that it's hard to know where to begin. What's particularly disturbing to me is Hyde's unwillingness to acknowledge the flaws honestly -- there's a lot of whispering behind closed doors. I sense that Hyde doesn't take its own advice seriously: truth over harmony. Is it possible that the Hyde emperor has no clothes?
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Let's get back to a more intelligent, meaningful subject.
--- End quote ---
One of the very best ways to understand the Hyde culture is to take a close look at which staff have stayed for years and which have left the school after relatively brief stays. I think you'll see a clear pattern. It's well known that many Hyde staff don't stay long. Based on my recent affiliation with Hyde (several years) I've noticed that many staff are very young and eager; the good ones seem to leave (in my estimation, often it's because they realize that Hyde is not a healthy environment for many people). The staff who stay seem to have a lot in common. Many seem to have their own histories of significant struggles and cling to Hyde for security and comfort. They have nursed from Joe Gauld's breast, so to speak, and have a very hard time separating. They have absorbed the Gauld mystique and feel compelled to impose it on everyone who walks through Hyde's doors-students, parents, staff, etc. That's how Hyde has developed this cult reputation, which is widespread. That's why Hyde's antiquated approach is being left in the dust by other schools that have much more enlightened approaches to this kind of student body. That's why many educational consultants won't refer to Hyde; there are too many good alternatives.
That seems to be a common thread running through all of these places. The basic model for this came from Synanon (although I'm not sure that any direct link can be traced the whole model of treatment is a chapter right out of Chuck Dederich's grand plan. Cult all have the same basic characteristics. See if any of this is familiar...
http://www.ex-cult.org/bite.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/singer-conditions
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/lifton-criteria
Much of what the Hyde PR machine touts sounds very good in theory. And, I'll concede that during my time at Hyde I met some genuinely committed, dedicated professionals. But there's no doubt in my mind that when you look at the big picture at Hyde you find so many examples of poorly qualified staff who mistreat students, staff who don't come close to living up to the Hyde ideals. There are so many problems at Hyde that the nice sounding literature and speeches are misleading. The good stories that come out of Hyde (I know there are some) are completely overshadowed by the tidal wave of bad stories.
Hyde reminds me a lot of what happened to Karl Marx's vision. On paper the model sounds quite good. But the implementation has been so flawed (see the former Soviet Union and China) that the system can't survive or live up to the ideals. Sounds like Hyde to me.
--- End quote ---
I think you've stated it beautifully and accurately: Hyde sounds good in theory, but the school's attempt to implement the ideal falls terribly short. There are so many chinks in Hyde's armour (quality of staff, inferior educational quality, simplistic interventions with troubled students, arrogance) that it's hard to know where to begin. What's particularly disturbing to me is Hyde's unwillingness to acknowledge the flaws honestly -- there's a lot of whispering behind closed doors. I sense that Hyde doesn't take its own advice seriously: truth over harmony. Is it possible that the Hyde emperor has no clothes?
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blah blah blah you can't answer the question either. I don't want to read your self absorbed ramblings. it is the same shit that is posted all over this forum. "Please don't dominate the rap Jack if you got nothing new to say" I want an answer to my question.
Niel Loughjizm
BTW
My favorite J Garcia tie is the view from the Ritz looking out over Central Park. Now you want to talk cult leader Joe can't hold a candle to Jerry. He is dead going on ten year, folk still worship him. Did you ever see joe's hand print on a bumper sticker?
http://stores.musictoday.com/store/prod ... 707&sfid=2
HE was a great guitarist. I would have like to see the Lesh show with Sco and Dickey Betts at the Fox in Atlanta. Sco is one of the greatest living jazz guitarist. Some of his chops remind me of Jerry
http://stores.musictoday.com/store/prod ... 625&sfid=2
Did you hear the new MMW cd with Sco. Very hot.
http://www.myspace.com/medeskiscofieldmartinandwood
Might as well talk about stuff cause not one on this board knows shit about hyde.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Let's get back to a more intelligent, meaningful subject.
--- End quote ---
One of the very best ways to understand the Hyde culture is to take a close look at which staff have stayed for years and which have left the school after relatively brief stays. I think you'll see a clear pattern. It's well known that many Hyde staff don't stay long. Based on my recent affiliation with Hyde (several years) I've noticed that many staff are very young and eager; the good ones seem to leave (in my estimation, often it's because they realize that Hyde is not a healthy environment for many people). The staff who stay seem to have a lot in common. Many seem to have their own histories of significant struggles and cling to Hyde for security and comfort. They have nursed from Joe Gauld's breast, so to speak, and have a very hard time separating. They have absorbed the Gauld mystique and feel compelled to impose it on everyone who walks through Hyde's doors-students, parents, staff, etc. That's how Hyde has developed this cult reputation, which is widespread. That's why Hyde's antiquated approach is being left in the dust by other schools that have much more enlightened approaches to this kind of student body. That's why many educational consultants won't refer to Hyde; there are too many good alternatives.
That seems to be a common thread running through all of these places. The basic model for this came from Synanon (although I'm not sure that any direct link can be traced the whole model of treatment is a chapter right out of Chuck Dederich's grand plan. Cult all have the same basic characteristics. See if any of this is familiar...
http://www.ex-cult.org/bite.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/singer-conditions
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/lifton-criteria
Much of what the Hyde PR machine touts sounds very good in theory. And, I'll concede that during my time at Hyde I met some genuinely committed, dedicated professionals. But there's no doubt in my mind that when you look at the big picture at Hyde you find so many examples of poorly qualified staff who mistreat students, staff who don't come close to living up to the Hyde ideals. There are so many problems at Hyde that the nice sounding literature and speeches are misleading. The good stories that come out of Hyde (I know there are some) are completely overshadowed by the tidal wave of bad stories.
Hyde reminds me a lot of what happened to Karl Marx's vision. On paper the model sounds quite good. But the implementation has been so flawed (see the former Soviet Union and China) that the system can't survive or live up to the ideals. Sounds like Hyde to me.
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Oh and BTW Karl Marx vision has never been implemented. China? China was Maoism not Marxism. Marx had a vision about the natural evolution of industrialized societies. Hello !? China was a rural agrarian society. Socialist dictator ship of the prolatariate is not communism it is the prelude to communism. The USSR never never came close.
So to sum up you know as little about poli sci as you know about hyde. Dry up and blow away. The title of this tread is "History" not sophmoric rambles about shit you don't know.
Niel
Anonymous:
Hey,
I was in Rumford yesterday. I remember a couple of meets there. Rumford still stinks.
Niel
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Let's get back to a more intelligent, meaningful subject.
--- End quote ---
One of the very best ways to understand the Hyde culture is to take a close look at which staff have stayed for years and which have left the school after relatively brief stays. I think you'll see a clear pattern. It's well known that many Hyde staff don't stay long. Based on my recent affiliation with Hyde (several years) I've noticed that many staff are very young and eager; the good ones seem to leave (in my estimation, often it's because they realize that Hyde is not a healthy environment for many people). The staff who stay seem to have a lot in common. Many seem to have their own histories of significant struggles and cling to Hyde for security and comfort. They have nursed from Joe Gauld's breast, so to speak, and have a very hard time separating. They have absorbed the Gauld mystique and feel compelled to impose it on everyone who walks through Hyde's doors-students, parents, staff, etc. That's how Hyde has developed this cult reputation, which is widespread. That's why Hyde's antiquated approach is being left in the dust by other schools that have much more enlightened approaches to this kind of student body. That's why many educational consultants won't refer to Hyde; there are too many good alternatives.
That seems to be a common thread running through all of these places. The basic model for this came from Synanon (although I'm not sure that any direct link can be traced the whole model of treatment is a chapter right out of Chuck Dederich's grand plan. Cult all have the same basic characteristics. See if any of this is familiar...
http://www.ex-cult.org/bite.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/singer-conditions
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/lifton-criteria
Much of what the Hyde PR machine touts sounds very good in theory. And, I'll concede that during my time at Hyde I met some genuinely committed, dedicated professionals. But there's no doubt in my mind that when you look at the big picture at Hyde you find so many examples of poorly qualified staff who mistreat students, staff who don't come close to living up to the Hyde ideals. There are so many problems at Hyde that the nice sounding literature and speeches are misleading. The good stories that come out of Hyde (I know there are some) are completely overshadowed by the tidal wave of bad stories.
Hyde reminds me a lot of what happened to Karl Marx's vision. On paper the model sounds quite good. But the implementation has been so flawed (see the former Soviet Union and China) that the system can't survive or live up to the ideals. Sounds like Hyde to me.
--- End quote ---
Oh and BTW Karl Marx vision has never been implemented. China? China was Maoism not Marxism. Marx had a vision about the natural evolution of industrialized societies. Hello !? China was a rural agrarian society. Socialist dictator ship of the prolatariate is not communism it is the prelude to communism. The USSR never never came close.
So to sum up you know as little about poli sci as you know about hyde. Dry up and blow away. The title of this tread is "History" not sophmoric rambles about shit you don't know.
Niel
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