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History question
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Joe left first.
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I'm a former student from the early 1970s. I obviously wasn't there at the time, but from what I heard from students who were, Ed engineered Joe's departure in a sort of coup d'état. This quickly backfired and the whole place imploded with a professional headmaster brought in and the Hyde philosophy jettisoned.
My personal view was always that Joe was absolutely crackers with an enormous ego, but sincere. Ed Legg was highly intelligent, but power hungry, arrogant and insincere.
Subsequently, I worked in Hong Kong in early 1985 with a recent college graduate from Bowdoin, small world, who's mother was brought in by the Board in the early 1980s to help evaluate Hyde School. Her surname was Ring and I believe she was a professor of education at Bowdoin. In any event, as I recall from several conversations with her daughter this individual spent a great deal of time interviewing Joe and Ed. She and the board concluded that Hyde was enormously destructive and if it wasn't shut down then Joe had to to go. She viewed him as unstable and thought the Hyde environment was extremely unhealthy for children of any description.
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I would have to agree with that accessment. Joe and Ed were like reverse image harliquins of each other. I personally like Joe, but I knew how to tip toe around him. Some of the people that did not got slammed pretty hard and hate him.. I can not blame them for that. Ed was/(is) an asshole in my book. I had a very bad experiance with his duplicity. He was a user par excelance.
Please flame me for my spelling. It is 7:00am CST( c as in china) and i just ran 6 miles. too lazy to spell check.
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sorry I mean Ring
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This assessment sounds like it's right on the money, that is that the consultant "and the board concluded that Hyde was enormously destructive and if it wasn't shut down then Joe had to to go. She viewed him as unstable and thought the Hyde environment was extremely unhealthy for children of any description." I don't know the date of this report, but it seems remarkably relevant to the Hyde of today. It sounds like people recognized years ago that Joe is unstable and destructive. That's not news to me at all, nor to many other people associated with Hyde. I'm amazed that the implosion hasn't yet happened. Maybe Hyde is sinking under its own weight.
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any body got a copy?
Anonymous:
No but maybe someone can get in touch with this woman and ask her for either her report or her personal assessment. I agree that Hyde is very destructive. It is quite frightening that there are families who buy into it and become "Cult like" members of the "Hyde community." They even have meetings in their own communities to try to recruit more members. This doesn't seem to me to operate as a school, does it to you?
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---No but maybe someone can get in touch with this woman and ask her for either her report or her personal assessment. I agree that Hyde is very destructive. It is quite frightening that there are families who buy into it and become "Cult like" members of the "Hyde community." They even have meetings in their own communities to try to recruit more members. This doesn't seem to me to operate as a school, does it to you?
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By self definition Hyde is not a normal school. I think the question that has been raised is whether it lives up to the hype. "Cult like" .. Any group that draws a line between it self and the society at large is going to be "Cult like" Christians are "cult like" Jews are "cult like" FreeMasons are "cult like" Is it harmful to be a FreeMason? I don't know. Grown men that dress like clowns and drive midget cars in parades ... I don't know ... maybe there is an agument that the Shriners are a harmful cult.
Joe was always a polarizing figure. I would be interested in learning what was in the Ring report and the events from around that time period. I am working on a book about a kid that goes to a school like hyde in that time frame. The facts would be nice so I can bend the in order to make the claim : "Any resemblensce to persons living ...."
Niel Loughjizm
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---No but maybe someone can get in touch with this woman and ask her for either her report or her personal assessment. I agree that Hyde is very destructive. It is quite frightening that there are families who buy into it and become "Cult like" members of the "Hyde community." They even have meetings in their own communities to try to recruit more members. This doesn't seem to me to operate as a school, does it to you?
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By self definition Hyde is not a normal school. I think the question that has been raised is whether it lives up to the hype. "Cult like" .. Any group that draws a line between it self and the society at large is going to be "Cult like" Christians are "cult like" Jews are "cult like" FreeMasons are "cult like" Is it harmful to be a FreeMason? I don't know. Grown men that dress like clowns and drive midget cars in parades ... I don't know ... maybe there is an agument that the Shriners are a harmful cult.
Joe was always a polarizing figure. I would be interested in learning what was in the Ring report and the events from around that time period. I am working on a book about a kid that goes to a school like hyde in that time frame. The facts would be nice so I can bend the in order to make the claim : "Any resemblensce to persons living ...."
Niel Loughjizm
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What I find remarkable about Hyde is that these serious concerns have persisted for decades. I have met many people who are horrified by Hyde; yet, each year Hyde manages to attract a new crop of desperate and vulnerable parents. Some buy in but many merely tolerate Hyde until they can leave or leave in disgust. What a sad, sad story Hyde is.
Anonymous:
As a former student at Hyde in the mid 1970s, I find this thread particularly interesting. Does any one have any information on what happened to Ed Legg and what he's been doing since his departure from Hyde?
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