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GregFL:
I think Maria might have oversimplified that. What about the mentally ill or insecure kid that was emotionally thrashed on a regular basis? Or the people's whose families all joined in and then rejected them for their non compliance? How about someone deeply in love who had to reject his/her partner in order to gain freedom? Or those 16 year olds that choose a homeless life on the run over lockdown in the seed?
It wasn't only seedlings that were hurt, either. Imagine those parents and siblings of seedlings that got rejected for years and years because their adult kids disappeared into the "seed family". Imagine the heartbreak of these people.
For every success story, there is an alternative scorched earth scenario. Some people just got chewed up by the 'love' of the Seed in ways that I still don't think those pro-seedlings really really get it.
cleveland:
That's an interesting question - what would my life be like, if I had never entered the Seed.
Well, based upon Maia's interview, I was one of the kids that would have been most damaged - a non-drug addicted, long-term Seed resident.
I also had some serious emotional issues. Like many of us, I came from a deeply damaged family environment. A very unhappy, alcoholic, divorced, messed up environment. I turned a lot of my pain inward, and became depressed, anxious and socially withdrawn. What I had would now be called Social Phobia, but there was no diagnosis like that then.
There are more opportunities for someone who is suffering today, to connect with others and to learn about issues, via the internet. An unhappy 17 year old today can find a lot more support then I had, I think. Of course, there are just as many quacks and false prophets around, too.
So, if I could have found a happy family-type environment, based upon friendship, AND found help with the overwhelming feelings of panic and shame that were choking off my sense of happiness with life, then YES - I would have loved to have spent seven years more productively, going to school, making friends, exploring careers. As it was, I had to jump back into life at (it felt old then) at 26 years, and scramble to 'do' life again. My Seed years were pretty much a dead end - although I have reconnected with a few of my friends through this forum, it's 20 years later and we aren't connected in the same way that my wife is with her college friends, who are life-long friends. I don't have any lifelong friends, and my family life has that 7 year gap that might never be bridged.
So - what a question.
Antigen:
You guys listening to or watching this?
http://www.cato.org/event.php?eventid=2775
In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a trade unionist. Then they came for Catholics, and I didn?t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."
--Protestant minister Martin Neimoller
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-04-20 08:22:00, cleveland wrote:
it's 20 years later and we aren't connected in the same way that my wife is with her college friends, who are life-long friends. I don't have any lifelong friends, and my family life has that 7 year gap that might never be bridged.
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Me too. I have found a couple of really good friends who I "went to school with". But having that particular dark chapter in common, all that dark matter is a part of the get along. Still, better than being lonely; probably valuable and wonderful in equal preportion to the dark stuff.
A fundamentalist Christian President who claims God told him to invade Iraq ? an act that killed more than 150,000 civilians, mostly women and children ? is not that much different from a fundamentalist Islamic fanatic who claims it is the will of Allah that he send young men to America to crash airliners into office buildings and kill 3,000 plus.
DOUG THOMPSON
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GregFL:
Well Ginger, in all situations there is good. Had we not been childhood victoms of this treatment modality, we would not be friends today. It is nice to have someone just to call once in a while and shoot the bull with.
So, I guess in a way the Seed gave me Ginger. This is one thing I guess I can thank the Seed for.
Thanks Art!
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