Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Second Nature Wilderness Program
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-22 09:52:00, odie wrote:
Mental health professionals can't agree on a damn thing unless they have a vested interest in it.
So does anyone have statistics for what they think that does work for kids? I just want to compare these statistics to what I keep hearing doesn't work.
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Growing up helps. Learning from mistakes helps. Having real, practical opportunities to attain success at love, self sufficiency, personally rewarding career or vocation. Knowing that you can acquire this kind of success and how to do it. Those things help trememdously.
Stealing your kid's thunder by strong arming into accepting your ideas about acceptable risk and what is and is not a worthy objective or friend can be most unhelpful. On the other hand, if 2N habitually convinces parents to quit fuckin' with their nearly grown kids, that's a service in itself. But I rather suspect they don't. They probably work pretty hard at getting the parents on game w/ TBS or some other very expensive long term plan.
Any Irishman who doubts the reality of selective enforcement ought to take just a moment to comtemplate the etymology of the term "paddy waggon".
--Antigen
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---Stealing your kid's thunder by strong arming into accepting your ideas about acceptable risk and what is and is not a worthy objective or friend can be most unhelpful."
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Eudora, please. STD's, unwanted pregnancy and death at the hands of drug dealers are not acceptable. Kids aren't sent off to WT because of their clothing choices. A good parent better pick their batles and strong arm their ideas regarding deadly behaviours. And, if that doesn't work, time away from it all and breaking the cycle may be the answer.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-22 11:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
A professional does not hurl insults to people in pain.
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Why would your kid's therapist be in pain?
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard was not what I meant.
---Richard Nixon
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Anonymous:
DJ is not my kid's therapist but I do believe he is in pain.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---You guys can't keep making assumptions that sending a kid to WT or TBS is the first thing a parent does the first time their kid smokes a joint or snorts a line.
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I've only gone by what you said. I haven't assumed anything really. I've read what you wrote and commented on what you said.
In any case, I think you are quick to insult others due to what you perceive to be an attack on you when people ask questions and ask you to justify what you say with facts. It's a touchy subject and people don't like to go into details. I understand that to an extent.
I have said it before that I'm glad that your kid is doing better. Who could be upset with a happy, functioning child?
What I object to is that places that use these types of "programs" don't tell the truth about their approach to "treatment." Now. I'm not saying that your program has done this - I wouldn't know. What I do know, however, is that they advertise that they can treat various psychological/social disorders. They advertise that they are successful, yet there is not a single shred of evidence to support this claim.
I can say this universally about all of these programs simply because I stay current on the research being conducted and there is not a single, solitary clinical trial for "wilderness programs" that indicates that they can successfully treat anything whatsoever. Current research indicates that these programs are at best ineffective and at worst damaging.
Mental health treatment must always be conducted under the least restrictive conditions possible. This is a general rule of the discipline. Sending a child to one of these programs against their will is counterintuitive the "least restrictive" philosophy.
Their going voluntarily is rare and is usually coerced or in some cases the children are "kidnapped" from their beds in the middle of the night by paid "escorts" who handcuff your kid and drag him/her from the house in handcuffs, against their will, to be forcibly transported to the program - for a fee, of course.
My point about this has been that if your kid required out of home placement (dangerous to self or others - well below 1% of all cases) then he/she is in need of a level of care that a WP simply cannot deliver.
I'm not saying that there aren't some people in this industry who have good intentions and are trying to help kids.
What I'm saying is that these places, based on the least restrictive care model, are accepting children whose placement there is unwarranted (many) or even dangerous (very few). I'm saying that they're in business to sell a product - like every business sells a product to make profit - and the product they're selling isn't therapy for the kids, it's hope for the parents and it's wrong.
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