Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Second Nature Wilderness Program
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-22 12:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
If there's not much wrong with your kid and she just wants to get away from bad friends for awhile, there are all kinds of places to go that aren't geared towards the "troubled."
Julie
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That's my thought as well. As an adult, reading descriptions of GAD, yup! That was me! Scared of everything and everybody and well trained to use offense as my first, best and most reliable defense. But how did I get that way? That's easy. My fucked up mother had been trying every crazy assed pop psyche snake oil to hit the market in an attempt to fix her horribly dysfuncional kids, all 6 or us, for her entire career as a parent.
That kept up until she found Nervana as a devout follower of Art Barker. That's about enough to make any kid anxious, don't you think?
Can you imagine if, instead of looking for treatment for your disordered kid, you had just assumed that she was alright and just needed a break from all of your "help"?
I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision, to drain people of their free will--and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain.
--Gene Roddenberry, Creator of Star Trek
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-22 13:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
You get what you pay for. I'd rather have my kid with Psychologists and MSW's and pay more than risk the possible deviant behaviour of low-paid chaperones. "
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The trouble is there is no standardized test for good intentions and real heart. Certification boards can test aptitude and manipulating the mind of another. But they can't test intent.
So, all things considered, I'd rather have a kid of mine on a more level playing field w/ a rank ameture than a certified professional. Actually, I'd never send my kid out to any sort of away program or vacation package w/o at least one well trusted friend or family member. That would just be stupid. Never leave home w/o an advocate and wittness, not to mention someone you can trust for a reality check.
Excepting drug activity for personal use or free
distribution from the sweep of the CSA would discourage the consumption of
lawful controlled substances.
acting US Solicitor General, Paul Clement; Ashcroft v. Raich
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-22 13:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Stealing your kid's thunder by strong arming into accepting your ideas about acceptable risk and what is and is not a worthy objective or friend can be most unhelpful."
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Eudora, please. STD's, unwanted pregnancy and death at the hands of drug dealers are not acceptable. Kids aren't sent off to WT because of their clothing choices. A good parent better pick their batles and strong arm their ideas regarding deadly behaviours. And, if that doesn't work, time away from it all and breaking the cycle may be the answer."
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Most STDs are curable, but there are very few kids who can't be persuaded to use condoms if they get to try out a few brands.
Unwanted pregnancy has solutions. Adoption is one of them.
Drug dealers don't kill paying customers who aren't rival dealers.
It sucks getting an STD, unwanted pregnancy is bad, drug abuse is a bad thing.
Still, get your concerns in proportion to the risks. None of those merits locking a kid up in what amounts to a private prison.
Programs are like Mai Lai. "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."
There are important life lessons to learn in adolescence that you can learn out in real life, even if you're behaving in those ways, that you can't learn in an institution.
Institutionalizing a kid for the last precious years of childhood, where the kid learns to form his own experiences and choices and separate from his parents, does enormous, irreparable harm to the kid's development processes.
If the kid graduates, the longer they stay in the Program in their head, the longer crucial life lessons are deferred, the longer the adult stays emotionally a kid under all the residue of the Program's coercive persuasion.
Julie
Anonymous:
"Institutionalizing a kid for the last precious years of childhood,"
First of all, sending a kid to a wilderness program is not institutionalizing him. These programs are fairly short-term.
Ah, yes, those precious years of childhood. How precious it is to have your kid being violent towards you and other family members, destroying cars and other family possessions, getting in trouble with the law, getting kicked out of school, driving under the influence, selling drugs and/or alcohol..... How PRECIOUS!!
Every teen could benefit from a wilderness program. Most families can't afford them. The programs are expensive to staff properly and the equipment and safety backups are costly. 2N does a great job of giving you more than your money's worth. What the kids object to is being removed from their druggie friends, their nice stereo systems and cars, their cell phones, their junk food and their nice clothes. Once they get over that, they begin to see what is really going on in their lives. At the same time, the parents are very engaged in the process. There is a LOT of family therapy going on which includes reading, long sessions with the wilderness therapist and letters back and forth to the kid.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---Every teen could benefit from a wilderness program.
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It's this kind of extreme thinking that really bothers me.
This person is saying that 100% of teenagers would benefit from a long-term (more than 30 days) out of home mental health placement.
This logic is disturbing for a few reasons. The most obvious one, of course, is that all teens would benefit being institutionalized (they can't leave - but they're outside instead of in buildings) in such a manner. This is nonsensical.
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