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GregFL:
Sorry,I just assumed everyone around this topic already knew this.

Mel Sembler's son was a St Pete seeding. When the seed left St Pete, Mel Sembler was the founding president of Straight.

Straight and the seed are loosely based on Synanon techniques.

Does this help?  Sorry if it doesn't or if you already knew this.  If you weren't anon we could probably have a better conversation.

Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2006-03-16 18:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

Answering the question is important. Consider the fact that the Senate hearings on the Seed brought Barker's method to light in the worst way for him and others.

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Well, yeah, answering the question is important. But what's the standard of evidence? And who sets that standard? Look, Sembler had to have been involved very near the time that Senate report came out. And he was already a very successful business man. Not the type to not watch his investments and all factors that might effect them. So it's not credible to think that he didn't know about that report, is it? And so he goes balls to the walls with this.

What reasonable conclusions can we draw from that? Reasonable conclusions are the best we're going to get. We're not ever going to get Herbert under oath copping to the crime.

It (the Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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Anonymous:
I have some of the CIA information on this and other interesting operations. The "Seed" designed during World War 2.
I am digging through my office this week to gather this for all the lab rats that have suvived this. I will post what I have.
I was there. A good start is Art Barkers past.

Frank M. :karma:

Stripe:
Hi.  I got nothing but....

Back in 2005 I filed a FOIA request with the FBI for its records on Art Barker and The Seed.  The response I received was that information, if any, would not be released until Art Barker was dead.  I have my response letter I'm waiting to make that request again.

I never pursued a FOIA on the The Seed program by itself.  Maybe it's time to try that.

Stripe

Anonymous:
Look at the sort of mind control that goes on in Catholicism. There are monks that a Pope can say "go on a mission and kill this person" and they comply without question. Most programs including AA profess some connection to it. Confession is a cornerstone. Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi Minister of Propaganda was Catholic. Mengele, the Nazi Doctor was as well.

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