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Seed or CIA?
psy:
--- Quote from: "ftw" ---Look at the sort of mind control that goes on in Catholicism. There are monks that a Pope can say "go on a mission and kill this person" and they comply without question.
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LOL. That is *not* true. Priests are forbidden from such things and a pope would never order another to sin (much less a mortal sin). And religions are *much* different than cults.
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--- Quote ---Most programs including AA profess some connection to it. Confession is a cornerstone. Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi Minister of Propaganda was Catholic. Mengele, the Nazi Doctor was as well.
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During WWII, while the Catholic church did not openly oppose the Nazis (that would be the end of them if they did), they *did* hide Jews and other "undesirables" from the nazis. Some priests were quite active in the resistance.
So what if some Nazis were (bad) Catholics. it doesn't make all catholics bad or all catholics nazis.
And FYI, AA doctrine contradicts Catholocism and Chrisitanity in general in quite a number of places.
Please don't make me defend the Catholic Church. I don't like doing it. There is plenty to criticize (pedo priests, stance on homosexuality, stance on condoms), but you're way off base saying comparing Catholocism to a program. Most Cathloics don't even bother going to confession more than once a decade and there are no "consequences". The priest also doens't try to call you a liar and make you confess to more than you did.
Anonymous:
Ever hear of the Spanish Inquisition? Dude, I agree, there are alot of great things about the Catholic church - we have a Father here that does alot of great work for the homeless. But just as with the NSA, I doubt you have much clue about what goes on in the upper echelons of that organization. And programs like AA state they are a direct derivation of Catholic mentality especially the 12 steps.
Antigen:
--- Quote from: "Stripe" ---Hi. I got nothing but....
Back in 2005 I filed a FOIA request with the FBI for its records on Art Barker and The Seed. The response I received was that information, if any, would not be released until Art Barker was dead. I have my response letter I'm waiting to make that request again.
I never pursued a FOIA on the The Seed program by itself. Maybe it's time to try that.
Stripe
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Man, it would be some nice to have that evidence. They really said "Not till he kicks"? One can only speculate as to what's behind that!
Anonymous:
This is a statement I found on the CIA's MK-ULTRA (Gottlieb was one of the heads):
"Gottlieb used Nazi scientists and their state of the art mind control techniques that had been perfected in concentration camps using victims of the Holocaust. "
"Operation Paperclip recruited 9,000 Nazi scientists and technicians to help the US destroy the USSR. Some of these scientists were known as programmers, people skilled in the art of breaking down and controlling the human mind"
The baseline of these programs, Seed, Synanon, CEDU, etc. is very similar but they all also have differences. Were we in some kind of ongoing experiment that began with the holocaust?
This is the reference link I was looking at:
http://www.spike.com/blog/monarch-new-phoenix/67693
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