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Anonymous:
Has anyone found a credible Seed-CIA connection? I?m talking about documents, whistleblowers, shady people in silhouette spilling the beans. The similarities between other pickle factory programs using trauma-based programming (MKULTRA, Monarch) and the Seed method are obvious, although the latter programs trumped in sheer sadistic ingenuity the worst of the Barker-Sembler factories. Then there?s the DuPont-Bush association. Then a geographical link in Lexington, KY. Ten years of research, and Wes Fager is unable to generate anything but speculation in this department? Where is the connection? It has to exist somewhere.

Antigen:
Well, just trot on down to your local library and reference the list of CIA clandestine research programs. . . .

It took decades of concerted effort just to establish the fact that COINTELPRO existed. We still can't prove what they did to whom or whether or not they ever actually shut down the program. Hell, as late as `93, GHW Büsh publicly denied the existence of NSA. I don't think we'll ever find that smoking gun evidence. Not, at least, unless the empire falls. Even then it's hard to say what paper and other evidence will survive or which of the evidence presented is factual, as the victors always get to rewrite the history.

Regardless, I think we have enough info to conclude that the method is fucked up.
Boundary, n.  In political geography, an imaginary line between two nations, separating the imaginary rights of one from the imaginary rights of another.
-- Ambrose Bierce,  The Devil's Dictionary

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GregFL:
If it exists I am unaware of it.  However, the US army apparently did some studys of the synanon and then a government member actively helped spread the synanon model (Robert Dupont).  The only other thing I find suspect is Semblers meteric rise in the republican party after staring Straight.  Did the straight succeed because of his connections, or did he acquire his connections because of his involvement in synanon treatment?


This is as close to a conspiracy as I can muster up.

Anonymous:
Answering the question is important. Consider the fact that the Senate hearings on the Seed brought Barker's method to light in the worst way for him and others. Turning kids into Manchurian candidates didn't sit well with certain power brokers, or else the process was just another administrative farce to curtail public pressure. In any case, proving the Seed was a company program with a company agenda would tarnish the Seed/Straight legacy worse than all the lawsuits and terrible publicity it has received so far. Such proof of involvement would also link program survivors with survivors of other mind control programs, which could ultimately strengthen and enlighten people, as well as open up a world of information exchange.

Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2006-03-16 18:27:00, GregFL wrote:

"If it exists I am unaware of it.  However, the US army apparently did some studys of the synanon and then a government member actively helped spread the synanon model (Robert Dupont).  The only other thing I find suspect is Semblers meteric rise in the republican party after staring Straight.  Did the straight succeed because of his connections, or did he acquire his connections because of his involvement in synanon treatment?





This is as close to a conspiracy as I can muster up."

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How was Sembler involved in Synanon treatment?

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